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Will you be getting those troops from the same 'people factory' you'll be getting those builders, yeah?

How are you going to get the Youth to sign up for the Army when we all know you'll be tossed on the scrapheap of life once you're out of the Service? The State exploits us, then ignores us once we are of no use.

Waving flags and being a fan of the Royals doesn't really cut it.

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JimmyB (he/him)
had the chat with my son recently to find out what he would do if drafted into some war with Russia or worse on Israel’s side say. He made a great point: I’ll be there just after the politicians who’ve got us into this situation have put their own kids in the front line.

Precisely.
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
if they can't give Young People anything to vote for they certainly can't expect Young People to give their lives for it.
My fear is consent won't be an issue...

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JimmyB (he/him)
for sure. Totalitarians will always…totalitare
Leyvi :gentoo:
Because God forbid your son defends those damned _Jews_, am I right?
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JimmyB (he/him)
Oh no. We'd all defend Jews - as we'd defend anyone against colonialism, racism, totalitarianism. It's fascist genociders we're slightly taken against.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Is that so?
Have you yet realized that you are sitting on your ass, spending time on your phone instead of going to Gaza and helping the IDF, Red Cross, etc distribute aid?
You could be doing a lot of different things to defend them, this is not one of them.
Also, given Israel is defending itself against terrorists who attempted to invade and genocide them, you should really be more supportive.
JimmyB (he/him)
So you have absolutely no idea what I do. I have been an aid worker for over 30 years, in a wide range of capacities.

Your straw man is ridiculous: do I think chatting on here is defending people in Gaza? Did I say so?

And the suggestion that there is any legitimacy in Israel's actions just makes you a fascist accomplice.

I'd suggest you educate yourself as to what your genocidal, colonial government does and never use the word 'defend' again in relation to them

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
You're using the word "fascist" to describe someone you don't like/disagree with, but the reality of that word is very different, and my family knows that quite well. Stop slandering my people. If you hate Jews so much, at least be open about it. You're British, right? If you said you were an antisemite, everyone would believe you…
JimmyB (he/him)
No - you make a common mistake.

Fascism has some well described principles, notablyt the dehumanisation of the target population, be that Jews, gypsies, gay/trans people, Irish people, black people.

If you read Madeleine Albright's book 'Fascism' you'll get some decent education on what fascism is. Bibi's regime, and the horrible lurch to the right that Israel has experienced since the assassination of Rabin ticks every box to be called fascism.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Here's a very clear indicator that Israel isn't (yet) a fascist state: we have free and fair elections. Another example: every Israeli, no matter what race or ethnicity, is entitled to the same social services. This include Muslims and Christians, not just Jews. Jews are sill primary citizens, since one of the major points of this country is to protect Jews from real fascist (and bigots like you), though we definetly treat our citizens like real people.
JimmyB (he/him)
You think you have free and fair elections?

Oh sweet child of summer...

And you treat all like real people? Oh my word.

Have you thought of taking a source which include the voices of those you're including here, rather than extreme right wing propaganda?

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
So many politically charged words, my hair is standing on end! Stop being so emotional about this, and try to think about this from the Israeli perspective: on October 7th, many of us witnessed real genocide (the most Jews killed since the holocaust, and the largest terrorist attack since 9/11), and we were scared shitless. We can't let that happen again, and we'll do what we must to ensure that stays that way.
JimmyB (he/him)
It's funny but genocide - and I've worked in 3 - does make me emotional. Speaking with fascist apologist spouting fascist propaganda makes me emotional too. Casually chatting with a Bibi supporter justifying massacre of palestinians with IDF/Mossad lies. Yup - emotional.

I have thought about it from an Israeli perspective. Extensively. I just have a longer view than you. And I give a shit about more than just my tribe.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
I did NOT vote for Bibi, I voted "Blue and White". I do not agree with almost any of his political actions, do not acuse me of supporting that oily turd of a man, for I never said anything about that.
JimmyB (he/him)
And yet you post all of his arguments on a public international forum!

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
I really don't. If you followed regional politics for real, you'd know that.
JimmyB (he/him)
Oh - I follow regional politics. And I recognise Kahanist propaganda when I meet it: it's not subtle stuff.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
That stuff is quite a bit more extreme than I, and again, if you were familiar with regional politics, you'd know that.
Leyvi :gentoo:
Quick question: how many loved ones have you lost in this conflict? Many of my former high-school teachers were conscripted, and some were KIA. I lost neoghbors, and friends, and my old classmate lost his entire extended family on 10/7. None of us knew what to say to him. Do you understand our motive now?
JimmyB (he/him)
Oh I understand it. It's the brutal inhumanity of every day Israelis, the ease of the adoption of fascism, and their refusal to extend any empathy in order to cover the horrific massacre of a massively less armed, fundamentally civilian population.

You can try to wriggle: the world knows who you and your fellow murderers are, and there is no justification in the world for genocide.

Here's a thing: the hard part of proving genocide is intent. Intent is clear here.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
How is it clear? When I first got here, I read Haaretz, & thought it was Gospel. I would look out over EJ, & say to myself "This isn't fair, why aren't we doing more to help them?" Since then I've realized the situation is more nuanced than what a bunch of western journalists would like me to believe. We've tried to help them, & they bit the hand that fed them. Just like how I've tried to appeal to our shared humanity, to get you to at least understand, even if you won't agree.
JimmyB (he/him)
Our shared humanity is somewhat shattered by your enthusiasm for genocide.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
When exactly did I say I liked it (it's not genocide, but it definately isn't nice for Palestinians)? No one here likes to think about the consequences of our operations in Gaza. But it's ultimately necessary for our national security. They would just keep killing us if we didn't.
Leyvi :gentoo:
Whoa!
1. That's not even what the Mossad does.
2. When you bring it up, you make yourself sound like a conspiracy theorist. I'd like to think there's a rational person on the other end of this, but given your refusal to present any evidence (and now this), I'm really not so sure.
JimmyB (he/him)
I know a fair amount about what Mossad does. They act in secret but fairly regularly we get exposed to their actions. Why doubt it?

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
No you don't, nor I, nor anyone either of us knows. Supposedly, they do international intelligence, along with the occasional targeted killing. You can read about some of their past in "Rise and Kill First".
JimmyB (he/him)
I can assure you there have been massively bigger 'terrorist' attacks than Oct 7th since 9/11. Unsurprisingly you are just ignorant of them, so focused are you on Israeli demonisation of palestinians and Israaeli manufactured grievances.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I said we treat OUR citizens like real people.
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JimmyB (he/him)
How about thinking about what I'm saying instead of this gish gallop to avoid addressing a reality which is going, one day, to shake your foundations - if you let some facts in?

If you ask some of these 'citizens' you might here something other than Bibi sponsored fascist propaganda. The charge of apartheid has strength here.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
I personally know several Christian Palestinian, and briefly knew a Muslim one. They all get the same treatment as I do.
JimmyB (he/him)
Stop now. Seriously - this stuff is embarrassing. Are some of your friends balck/gay/trans too?

While you deny their humanity, and justify their decimation, you do not get to speak for palestinians.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
You're right, I don't. That's what they told me; unless their lying?
JimmyB (he/him)
Are you really suggesting that some mates of yours, who apparently think that they are not second class citizens - and that trumps (what a concept) the extensive testimony and investigations many international humanitarian organisations?

Stop now. Neither you - nor your mates - speak for palestine. Nor me by the way. But I do at least listen...

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Which evidence are you referring to?
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
@LeyviRose they just have to lecture us lesser human beings, dont they?
Guilty men are like that....Genociders, looking for absolution from us unbelievers.
Makes me sick

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Leyvi :gentoo:
When exactly did I deny that they were human? I don't remember doing that.
JimmyB (he/him)
I am sure you didn't notice it. Read the thread again and maybe a little light will go on for you.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Ah, you are referring to my post declaring that Israel treats its own citizens like human beings. That was inclusive, not exclusive, and in any case, I said that to explain why I'm fairly certain Israel is not a fascist state (nor an apartheid, for that matter).
What else are they supposed to treat us like? Citezens of any country will always be prioritized by their legal system. It's common practice, as it should be.
Leyvi :gentoo:
Clearly, you're a really passionate antisemite, and given the fact that you're from the UK, I suppose that's understandable. I just wanted you to understand our perspective, even if I couldn't convince you that we were right to do what we've done. I hope someday that you leave your echo chamber of antisemetic exaggerations of history. Good luck with your humanitarian work.
JimmyB (he/him)
Out of other points to make so back to the tired old anti-semitic accusation. What a lot you have in common with Bibi.

If I am anti-semitic because I am against genocide, then

1) so are all those Jews behind whom I make my anti-genocide argument; and
2) by definition, being Jewish means being pro-genocide (or at least being pro lying about the genocide and covering for it).

I think both of those are pretty bad slurs on Jews, tbh

Nothing against Jews. Just genocide.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
So it's racist to say that the Jewish state has the right to defend itself against a foreign agressor? Wow.
JimmyB (he/him)
no. That wouldn’t be racist at all.

When someone says that you can roll out your racism and anti-semitism accusations (again)
Leyvi :gentoo:
Go study their religion and see what you make of it: they have this interesting thing called Jihad, which the more extreme types really seem to enjoy implementing.
Meanwhile, my religion instructs me to kill preemptively, if I am certain that otherwise the person in question will kill me. And while we have some laws somewhat similar to Jihad, they only apply under very specific circumstances, unlike Jihad's global reach.
You can see how these ideals might conflict, I hope?
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JimmyB (he/him)
are you seriously defending massacring Palestinians because their religion is worse? I mean.. you might want to think about that argument a little bit
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
@LeyviRose Oh, is it the "Use Queers as shield to justify Genocide" time is it? All the old classics.

You see to them, Queers like me are nothing but a prop "My best friend is gay" sort of thing. They don't value us as people, just a prop to wave around.

I hate it.

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JimmyB (he/him)
When I was 22, the RC cult I was brought up in, fell to pieces in the usual mess of sexual and financial scandal.

My whole world fell to pieces as I realised that pretty much everything I thought I knew was based on a lie. Carefully curated lies, whereby I became an involuntary perpetrator.

It happens. Extremely commonly.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
And our electoral system is the same as the UKs, so I should hope it's free and fair.
JimmyB (he/him)
Great. The UKs system is extremely far from free or fair - and suffers from some of the same woes as Israel's being the deliberate suppression of some opposition votes, the introduction of huge amounts of black money and the absolute control of independent media.

So not free or fair at all.

I mean this level of ignorance is shocking. Seriously: what do you read????

@Lazarou
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JimmyB (he/him)
Slander is untruth. If your people are committing genocide - and there is no fucking arguing with the evidence - then maybe you need to ask yourself some questions.

Conflating Jewish with genocidal is a grotesque insult to the leadership of anti-genocide Jews the world over right now.

So your Bib-like accusation of anti-semitism rings as hollow as his does these days.

Go. And. Educate. Yourself

@Lazarou
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JimmyB (he/him)
Are you aware that Israel is occupied land? That the occupation has been achieved with massive largely unacknowleged violence? That the pervading rhetoric in Israel that dehumanises palestinians is deeply fascist in nature? That the deliberate torture, murder, and elimination of Palestinians and those brave souls trying to get the word out about the genocide - is evidence in itself, of the genocide?

You don't get to talk of defence while part of team genocide.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
So who's land is it, if it's occupied? Does it belong to the migrants your ancestors deposited here when you exiled my ancestors, while colonizing this place your-sleves? I know the people you've accused of genocide personally… they are my friends and family, all of them are nice people, all of them value life as much as you and I.
JimmyB (he/him)
I worked in the Balkans after the war. My Serb friends used to say the same kind of thing. One of my colleagues had been a sniper on the hills above Sarajevo. He was/is a lovely fella.

Doesn't change the fact that he committed grotesque war crimes.

And it isn't me accusing anyone of genocide. Though the evidence is absolutely overwhelming - check with independent international lawyers.

Those dropping 2000 lb bombs on tents with women & children do not value life

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Those tents containing women and children also happen to contain various munitions, which the fathers of those families use to murder our families! These tactics are nothing new.
JimmyB (he/him)
I tell you whose land it isn't: it isn't the land of deeply racist colonialists. That's whose land it isn't.

If the settlers (what a fucking concept!) had created a society where all were valued then this would be a different conversation. They didn't. From the beginning they dehumanised Palestinians - a core part of the Israeli narrative still - and treated them appallingly. Stole their land. Called resistance terrorism.

Well - now everyone can see it.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
You missed the point of my post (you only read the first sentance); it really isn't their land, it's ours. We were here first, your ancestors displaced them from some other part of the region, and when your ancestors exiled mine, brought them there and named the land after a group we had already driven out to make sure it would be difficult for us to come back.
JimmyB (he/him)
Oh - the old lie! Actually - it's quite a new lie - created by Zionist fanatics in the late 1800's but anyway.

As I may have mentioned: Educate. Yourself.

Let's just say you were right (you aren't: you've believed horrible propaganda), would it still be OK to do the things that Israel has done? No. It would still be genocide.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
We are deliberately avoiding civilian casualties whenever possible, and distributing aid to Palestinians, even though it is unpopular to do so. But if you don't feel like beliving facts, get this: what were doing is much too ad-hoc to be genocide. Genocide must be systematic and organized. It can involve dedicating the military to killing civilians, or death camps, or whatever. But when a civilian gets killed by our wepons, it's never because we targeted them directly.
JimmyB (he/him)
Everything you say is contradicted by independent evidence. The aid workers demonstrating that children, journalists, medics are being deliberately targeted. The appalling abuse of palestinian hostages, held without charge in conditions of torture.

You need better sources of information: coming here and spouting fascist lies and apologetics is...something or other.

Many independent international lawyers have concluded, based on the super-abundant evidence of genocide.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Since you're so certain, why don't you provide factual evidence from a third party, which isn't as politically charged as you? I'd like to see if you know of any sources that think with their brains.
JimmyB (he/him)
What's my political charging? Being opposed to genocide?

try harder. The evidence against you is overwheleming! Why not seek some out yourself? I am not here to educate you other than to the fact that the world is a big old place, and you live in a place where knowledge is supressed - extremely.

And it shows. Stop spouting this propaganda!

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
It's always because they were standing too close to a real terrorist.
JimmyB (he/him)
Like those people in the Lebanon when those pagers went off killing people indiscriminately?

Look at who you stand next to: Trump and Bibi - two of the most inhuman murderers in recent history. Both consolidating their positions, to avoid prison, by pushing whole litanies of fascist lies.

Why don't you just free yourself and find some actual information?

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Those pagers were sold directly to Hezbollah. Any that may have made it into the hands of medical professionals were sold by Hezbollah. Maybe the Lebenese should stop buy equipment from Terrorists!
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Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
lol, what a load of genocide denying bollocks.

Wipe the blood from your hands and fuck off out of my mentions, you weirdo.

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JimmyB (he/him)
Let's see if you can get it if I put it this way: "those nuclear bombs were sold to terrorists"

And BTW: who you class as a terrorist says a lot about you and not much about them. Personally, and given it's use, I don't find that word too useful. If you must use it then Israel is a terrorist state, if you like.

@Lazarou
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JimmyB (he/him)
Just so you know, in case this information isn't available for you: there is absolutely zero doubt that the IDF is not avoiding civilian casualities, presumably because like you, they see collective punishment as acceptable. never mind asking themselves why an occupied and oppressed population might spring up a theocratic, violent and murderous response.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
It wasn't "created" so much as it was discovered by archeologists sifting through rubble excavated from the temple mount, as well as many other well-documented biblical sites.
JimmyB (he/him)
Please stop. This is all a well constructed defence of genocide. It'snot new. It's well known and described. It's author's are well known.

Your ignorance is shameful. Do better.

Why don't you go and read stuff written by non-genocidal Jews? There are stacks of them all over the world. With a bit of effort you could find some actual information.

@Lazarou
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Leyvi :gentoo:
Also, notice this:
In the videos of the hostages being released, why is it that all the Palestinians appear to be fine, while the hostages being released look like fucking skeletons? Does that really scream "we are dying" to you?
JimmyB (he/him)
We've seen very different videos. And you know why? Because I can see it all while in Israel, independent journalism has been erased.

Educate. Yourself.

The videos and tesitimony of grotesque torture, starvation, abuse, sexual abuse, of Palestinian hostages held without charge is so well documented that your ignorance is hard to excuse.

@Lazarou
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