1/ Gestern bin ich ja auf dem Weg zur Arbeite irgendwie in so eine Blockade von Klimaaktivist*innen geraten. Ich dachte, heute ist bestimmt wieder was und ich bin mal schlauer und fahre einfach früher los. Irgendwann fuhr dann Polizei mit Blaulicht an mir vorbei und ich dachte: Oh, nich schon wieder. Ich bin dann weitergefahren und hörte Unter den Linden eine Demo. Ich wunderte mich: Demo zu nachtschlafender Zeit? Bin aber schnell weiter. Grad noch rechtzeitig dran vorbei. Und dann doch wieder Blockade! Mit nem Transporter und #LockOn.
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In der Bildmitte kann man den Mann von 3/ sehen, den er dorthin geworfen hatte.
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Doug Webb hat dies geteilt
ivan zlax •
The Germans are going through another phase of climate care. There better be no luck in this neocolonial initiative of yours.
Doug Webb •
I appreciate you liked my calendar-wheel diagram years ago, but I really don't appreciate your periodic, bad-faith and ungrounded snarks
talk or stop or block
ivan zlax •
It's a mediocre Western tradition:
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
Moreover, the European Greens, in whose interests your climate promotion works: were founded by real Nazis:
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur_Springmann (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Vogel_(Politiker)
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Mechtersheimer (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
etc etc
From the outside you are not much different from your ancestors in this matter. You're probably already sincere to genocide, for the sake of ‘your’ ideas (about saving the climate):
Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/population-decline-will-change-the-world-for-the-better/
Population Decline Will Change the World for the Better
Scientific AmericanDoug Webb •
I guess you are talking about how the mainstream thinks that green = "green growth", electric cars, etc. In my mind, the global North/West absolutely needs to consume way less and, like you say, stop being the worlds jailers.
Interesting points about the nazi -> Greens history. Not surprising, hope they've distanced themselves, but also: the green party in Germany suck. Pretty sure they're not...
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In any case: bad people holding an idea does not make that idea bad. Ideas must be talked about on their own merit, not attacked ad hominem, and you are smart enough to know that.
Which bit of the climate "agenda" do you take issues with? (I take issue with the overwhelming focus on CO2, although I think it very serious) Also interested to hear about your climate activism more generally.
Ha ha, I wish I got paid for my posts!!
Doug Webb •
If you want to continue please assume a bit more good faith, make less personal assumptions about me (my ideas, my personal history, nationality, etc). Oh, and the nazi refs. You broke Godwin's law, and now I have to mention them too... just don't, unless it is truly, causally relevant.
I am actually a bit curious to know how you went from climate activist, to thinking that a LNG conference is good 🤔
ivan zlax •
The fact is that the modern Western worldview is based on a religious foundation of uniformity, developed in Britain, has prevailed in scientific circles as the ideological basis of the universe. One of its most famous proponents was the parishioner at St Mary's Anglican Church, the Bachelor of Arts and Doctor of Laws Charles Darwin. A century and a half ago, the Theory of Uniformity was only one of the theories, and academic circles were debating its validity and considering alternative theories. In fact, it is not only an important foundation of trying to stop climate change, but also a component of social darwinism.
Keepers of the Rainbow (Russian anarchist environmental movement) – The Russian Reader
The Russian ReaderDoug Webb •
I feel like you want to make a point, but are avoiding it. The billionaires, paid activism, people having agendas... these are all accessory to the important questions of e.g. does CO2 increase atmospheric energy retention? ...
Doug Webb •
Cool about the planting and battery collection. Do you regret doing it now? Interesting to read the article you linked, always illuminating to hear stories from around the world.
ivan zlax •
Nature: Factorial simulations with multiple global ecosystem models suggest that CO2 fertilization effects explain 70% of the observed greening trend
Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004
NASA: Rising CO2 Levels Greening Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOwHT8yS1XI
It's the basics. From this basis arises the agenda of reducing the level of this gas in atmosphere. After all, the more plants, the more food, and the more food, the more population. In the last decade, a Rockefeller-funded institute has developed the sophisticated hoax that promotes the idea that crops harvested at elevated CO2 levels are supposedly less nutritious: #^https://ussr.win/display/5b3f0c60c6eb0137a349005056264835
In recent years, this idea has been actively promoted by Western mass media. The entire climate agenda is a layer cake of deliberate deceptions.
All ‘climate science’ is based on hypotheses and assumptions (people learnt to measure CO2 levels less than 100 years ago, and regular observations of local average temperatures - less than 200), which are presented as axioms and consensual solutions. It is essentially a form of organised religion. I went through it, i genuinely believed in it all, and as a result tacitly endorsed the depopulation of the human population for the sake of nature and species diversity (after losing faith in the climate agenda, i certainly don't think so now)
Greening of the Earth and its drivers - Nature Climate Change
NatureDoug Webb •
"CO2 = plant food." Sure, as is NPK & water. But you don't deny that increased CO2 increases solar heat retention, increases ocean acidity and decreases human cognition?
Doug Webb •
For example, it seems you think it would be good for more humans to exist. Why? How many more? What about the rest of life on earth, considering most people on earth want to increase their material wealth?
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Also, if you could reply in one thread, it would make it easier to talk.
ivan zlax •
Somehow i got the impression that you are different and willing to be responsible. Was i wrong and you are just a regular follower of the Western European colonial tradition of selective irresponsibility?
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ivan zlax •
Fresh Air: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara
For example, the progressive european recycling of obsolete electronics is done through financial fraud when your technological rubbish is shipped to Ghana:
MDPI: https://doi.org/10.3390/ijerph21010025
"Although Africa generates the least of this waste, the continent has been the dumping ground for e-waste from the developed world. The flow of hazardous waste from the prosperous ‘Global North’ to the impoverished ‘Global South’ is termed “toxic colonialism”." - those are not my words, that's a quote from this academic paper.
But of course, the prejudice is mine, not yours. After all, I'm just some Slav, and you are a progressive Westerner, thinking hard about how to build a better society, but who doesn't think it's necessary to be responsible for your statements. I don't deny my prejudice, but i can justify it in detail, there are reasons for it (above are just isolated examples). Please, before you ask me new and new questions, please answer my question to you beforehand, which you ignored. I perceive such demonstrative irresponsibility as a demonstration of Western supremacy. If i answer your new questions after you ignore mine - by doing so i will accept your hierarchy in which you are the master and i am the slave. I wouldn't want that. So please try to maintain equal and peer-to-peer communication without trying to demonstrate your superiority.
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Also, if you could reply in one thread, it would make it easier to talk.
(as you can see, here i am asking you to do what you asked me to do earlier: try to treat others as you would like to be treated)
Environmental Injustice and Electronic Waste in Ghana: Challenges and Recommendations
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ivan zlax •
Please, before you ask me new and new questions, please answer my question to you beforehand, which you ignored. I perceive such demonstrative irresponsibility as a demonstration of Western supremacy. If i answer your new questions after you ignore mine - by doing so i will accept your hierarchy in which you are the master and i am the slave. I wouldn't want that. So please try to maintain equal and peer-to-peer communication without trying to demonstrate your superiority.
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You copy-pasted that whole section, don't do that.
I'm not going answer any of your questions, so long as you hold me accountable for the (very real) crimes of the west.
ivan zlax •
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ivan zlax •
Please answer my question that i asked you earlier. Please do not remain unresponsible.
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And please, leave the side comments.
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"The water from the diverted Syr Darya river is used to irrigate about two million hectares (5,000,000 acres) of farmland in the Ferghana Valley."
ivan zlax •
https://ussr.win/display/e4113a70-0728-4b4d-9c2b-c5c3b599cdfd
Please read this detailed comment on the topic of the Aral Sea, if necessary - i will provide additional information on this topic.
Doug Webb •
Well, that is interesting! Indeed, the narrative I've heard is much more dramatic, and does not mention the previous changes.
This article was quite good https://obscuredinosaurfacts.com/post/2023/02/01/aral.html I found
Vilifying the USSR in the west during and and after the cold war is necessary narrative for the west, we can both agree.
I will try to get the Kediri article mentioned on the Aral Sea article - any secondary references you might have are helpful.
The Story of the Aral Sea
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ivan zlax •
Hello, Doug. It may be due to the size of the comment, but it is possible that it is due to censorship. This comment probably won't post either. This is largely based on the ideology of uniformism. Any change is seen as negative, and because of the prevalence of anthropocentrism (humanism), the cause of all bad things is attributed to man. At the same time, not only coastlines but also river channels are constantly changing:
Google Earth Blog: https://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2014/03/28-years-makes-river-look-like-snake.html (Mickey Mellen)
ARCHAEOLOGY.KZ: https://archaeology.kz/rus/expeditions/991-polevye-issledovaniya-na-poselenii-aral-asar-na-mavzolee-kerderi-2-v-2009-godu
silkadv.com: https://silkadv.com/ru/node/704
And you can book a tour here, this is Kazakhstan:
Welcome.kz - туроператор по Казахстану: туры, экскурсии, транспорт, отели, полезная для туристов информация: https://welcome.kz/ru/info-cities/the-aral-sea/mavzolej-kerderi
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issyk-Kul (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
Several settlements have been found at its bottom, the artefacts discovered indicate abrupt flooding:
http://dspace.nbuv.gov.ua/bitstream/handle/123456789/38912/03-Lukashov.pdf?sequence=1
Another example is the ancient maps of North Africa: rivers and lakes were depicted there in the place of modern deserts:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Barbariae_et_Biledulgerid,_Nova_Descriptio.jpg
At least partly this is not the fantasy of ancient cartographers, as many settlements have been preserved:
These are a couple more examples of the fact that climate (both locally and globally) is constantly changing, it's natural. But this kind of information is little known and not taken into account by academic scientism. This is because scientism was built on the foundations of christianity, and as an ideology inherited religious fundamentalism.
I could go on showing such examples.
Sometimes it comes to the point where academics ignore natural phenomena that might disrupt their imagined static climatological and geological picture of the world. At the same time, the models of some fringe researchers allow not only to explain such phenomena, but also have an applied character.
Is this kind of information somehow likely to change your outlook and perception of the timespace where you live?
(note that dwelling in the space, without time, leads to uniformitarianism, a presumed uniformity of the past and future)
28 years makes a river look like a snake - Google Earth Blog
Mickey Mellen (Google Earth Blog)Doug Webb •
Thanks for the links. I do hope to be able to update the Wikipedia article on the Aral sea some time, but I must be honest that it is not very high on my priority list.
I agree that many people don't realize how dynamic life systems are, and that most have been shaped by non-humans considering the history of the earth. Related to this is some part of the alarmism.
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My belief is still that humanity is shaping the biosphere in ways that are unfair to non-human life not sustainable in the long-run: monoculture, deep-till, plastic waste, overfishing, GHG emission, etc
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Still - and perhaps this is where we can come together - I believe a lot of this has been caused by feudalism and capitalism that was exported globally. Political and social change must come at a deep level, to reunite people with the land near them, in order for the ecological issues I mentioned to be addressed.
I'm not interested in a green prison.
ivan zlax •
> as for the current scientific community: I'm not really in it,
> and don't understand how it comes together or not.
The climate agenda has become part of the religion of scientism. The French philosopher André Comte-Sponville defines scientism as science being seen as a religion, as scientists elevate science to a dogma that they turn into an imperative. In religion there cannot be two different conflicting opinions (but not in science). Guided by such religious fundamentalism, for many years Scientists have speculated about the ‘climate consensus’. Allegedly scientists have accurately identified and agreed on climate issues. But this is a hoax, supported for many years by centralised funding. Perhaps because of the changing political climate in the US, funding for this climate propaganda will soon be cut.
> My belief is still that humanity is shaping the biosphere in
> ways that are unfair to non-human life not sustainable in
> the long-run: monoculture, deep-till, plastic waste, overfishing,
Such beliefs are shaped by an imagined opposition between humans and nature. It is possible that the orangutan community may not consider their species to be part of nature, but to an outside observer, they are part of nature. It is the same with the rest of hominids: to an outside observer, you are part of Earth's nature. If you don't separate yourself from nature and consider yourself part of the biosphere, then many fictitious dialectical problems will lose their significance.
> GHG emission, etc
By the way, you might be interested in this recent article: "A Critical Reassessment of the Anthropogenic CO₂-Global Warming Hypothesis: Empirical Evidence Contradicts IPCC Models and Solar Forcing Assumptions" https://scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/SCC-Grok-3-Review-V5-1.pdf
> Still - and perhaps this is where we can come together - I believe
> a lot of this has been caused by feudalism and capitalism that
> was exported globally.
In my opinion, even more influential is history. The vast majority of civilised people are in specially designed for them bubble of ideas of time and space (usually developed by nation-states and churches). This leads not only to distorted perceptions of the past and the resulting present, but also limits the possibilities of determining the future. As a result, most of the empowered people see no other future than the one they are shown by mass media (various variations of dystopian cyberpunk). The concepts of both feudalism and capitalism exist within the framework of history.
I separate the concepts of ‘history’ and ‘past’ by the way. History is the Prussian school's imposed ideas about the past. Are you familiar with the concept of the Prussian educational system?
> I'm not interested in a green prison.
But those who fund the climate change agenda have a vested interest in this. Some of them (Alexander King f.e.) did not even hide it and wrote about it in plain text.
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Do I understand that you see no generalized human domination over other species? Even in the heavily industrialized countries? My reading of your statement implies you think there is nothing humans are doing wrong, can do wrong, since they part of the biosphere.
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Perhaps it helps to focus on a concrete example: what do you think about the mass animal industry?
ivan zlax •
Please let's keep respect for each other and each other's questions. Despite the fact that you ignored my question to you (i hope you will still be respectful and answer it to maintain a constructive discussion rather than a one-sided interrogation), i will endeavour to answer your questions:
I see the generalized domination of humans over other species, but i think it's natural since the domesticated primates has the most complex nervous system (with all the implications such as culture, technology, etc in their societies). Since i am not an anthropocentrist (humanist), so i look at biospheres from an outsider's perspective, not the ‘crown of creation’. In this sense for me, the mass animal industry includes the domesticated bird industry, the domesticated hoofed animal industry and other domesticated animals, including the domesticated primate industry. I no longer support such animal industry, even though i come from it (i was born and trained in an industrial town as an ordinary national labour unit), as regular domesticated primate. Of course, in the West, domesticated ungulates on farms live noticeably worse than domesticated primates from working-class neighbourhoods in cities. But don't forget that domesticated primates in the cities of some colonies (for example, in the Congo - i can demonstrate this to you) often live worse than domesticated cows in alpine meadows.
If you don't quite understand what i'm talking about, your answering my previous question will allow me to state my thoughts more clearly, within your awareness.
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And I agree that some humans endure worse conditions than some animals.
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