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The National People's Congress is often characterized by Western media as a "rubber stamp parliament," but in practice it's an extensive public participation mechanism, with a tiered structure with nearly 3 million deputies.

Deputies serve as a bridge between the party, state, and people, and laws are passed through a long and arduous process of deliberation. The NPC also relies on grassroots participation and public feedback to improve legislation and policy.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/china%E2%80%99s-democracy-how-national-people%E2%80%99s-congress-works

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Heretical_i
The psychopaths rise to the top of any VERTICAL organizational structure. In this case theyre called 'deputies'.🤣
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Yogthos
do you ever get tired of making these inane comments?
Heretical_i
There's absolutely nothing "inane" about it. Was having an extensive convo about the long run of building infrastructure... China's community-destroying 'ring cities', good for industry at human's expense, and other topics regarding western sinophile's 'shiny shit' fetish yesterday. You should ☑️ it.

And if you haven't, read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_in_Suits. It's NOT JUST relevant to crapitalism, albeit China's bastardized V is STILL crapitalism. Mao is rolling in his grave.

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Yogthos
I love how all you're able to do is just project how your shitty country works onto others. Go look at the actual tangible results of Chinese system.

Maybe read an actual book and educate yourself on the subject you're attempting to opine on.

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Heretical_i
It's not 'my country' by fate of birth, clown.
Yogthos
it's quite clear from every discussion we've had that you're absolutely incapable of imagining a society that functions different from your own
Yogthos
and let's just meet the 'psychopaths' 😆

Anarchists just can't help out themselves as clowns any time they open their mouth.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/19thcpcnationalcongress/2012-09/28/content_29714777.htm

Street sweeper becomes CPC delegate[1]- Chinadaily.com.cn

He has been keeping Tianjin’s streets clean for 23 years, now Xu Wenhua has swept his way to become to a CPC delegate at this year’s National Congress of the Communist Party of China.
www.chinadaily.com.cn
Heretical_i
Why would I be intersted in a doppelgannger of patriotic boy scouts in legislative drag?
Yogthos
why would you be interested in the facts of how CPC operates instead of your deranged fantasies 😆
Heretical_i
I'm SURE NONE of the people in this pic who beat a couple of corrupt chinese pigs to death, stuffed them in their car, and burned it, are your Boy Scout 'deputies'. We could learn alot from the chinese people, but NOT from their western mimicking bastardized capitalist gubmint. I'm with them, technocrat.

Yogthos
newsflash, no country is an utopia, and bad things will happen in every society.

It's the height of comedy to watch anarchists who can't even figure out how to build a society point at actual communist societies not being perfect as some kind of an own. Absolute clown shit.
Heretical_i
I have a society @yogthos. Theyre the dispossessed of the overarching US one, and you know? They're smarter & more resilient than your movement disruptive, and quite often SNITCHING, ml armchair 'revolutionaries'. Thats what they did during the Vietnam war, and that's why they're circlejerking in an echo chamber now.

A Russian on the subject.
https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-not-to-to-organize-community.html
Ps Wtf have you EVER actually done? My first political arrest was in 1968 at 15 yrs old. My 'rap sheet' goes for pages to this day

How (not to) to Organize a Community

Dire predictions made by authoritative figures can provide the impetus to attempt great things: establish community gardens and farmer...
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Yogthos
finding ways to cope with living under capitalism is literally the peak of what anarchism is able to accomplish
Heretical_i
You work with what you have while living a life that entirely rejects it @yogthos or else there's nothing you can do except talk about it. Be the cancer from within. The spirochette in the belly of the beast, and collaborate with others like you. That's the part ML groupies miss. They cut each others microscopic faction's throats for advantage. Disrupt and snitch on groups who 'dont do it their way'. Marx would spit on most people who claim his mantle today.
@Yogthos
Yogthos
it's ironic that you would say all that when you're the one always sliding into my threads to shit on AES projects. Pretty sure I've never once done that you.
Heretical_i
I have zero idea what AES means. Typically technocratic. Tuurn things into acronyms. Make people waste time looking, or 🤣... 'ask the experts'🤣
Yogthos
sorry I didn't think to spell out Actually Existing Socialist states for you there as if it wasn't a common term or anything 😆
Heretical_i
The only existing states that even remotely resemble what Marx was describing today are small homogeneous culture nations like Cuba and a few African nations. There's a reason for that. Everyone in the society is pretty much on the same page re what is needed to create a better society for all. No authoritarian-totalitarian coersion required. No menshaveiks needing 'education or execution' by bolshaveiks for example.
Yogthos
@ZDL check out our anarchist friend here who thinks he understands whether China is socialist better than people living there 😆
@🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦
Heretical_i
Sorry but that absolutely describes what I saw during the antivietnam war protests. MLs were worse than useless and a target of cointelpro infiltration, because no sociocultural affilations were necessary... hippie, student, worker, etc... all a cop had to know was "the dialectic'... the lingo.
Yogthos
ok, but you're not at the antivietnam war protests today
Heretical_i
Two words. One name... defines modern Marxism in the US... Louis Proyect... Assjack then, and until a few years ago when he passed. He had been reduced to sitting in his reactionary revolutionary armchair doing movie reviews after vietnam and was a close friend of Doug Henwood, cruise missle marxist and a wall st investment wonk admin at lbo-talk listserv, where Proyect trolled anyone who thought stalin was a dick. Imagine that! A wall st investment advisor marxist🤣
Yogthos
last I checked it was Claudia De la Cruz of PSL, but hey you keep on living in your time capsule there
Heretical_i
PSL is a cult.
Yogthos
and this attitude is precisely why there's never going to be a socialist revolution in Yankeestan
Heretical_i
Flashing back to YAWF😵‍💫 You know...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_World_Party 🤡s

'known for their consistent defense of the BPP, WU, VVAW, and the Puerto Rican Independence movement.[citation needed]

Cite: I SAW ALOT. They MAY HAVE 'supported' but NEVER APPEARED AT any function in actions by, or defense of them even as my 16 yr old ass was walking picket for bpp and was busted w/ wu

The 60s was littered with charismatic leader cults like Avakian's 'PSL, whose on most lists of cults, kept by marxists.

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Yogthos
I love how you're unable to engage with the present and just associate all current events with the days of your youth. Seems to happen a lot to people with age.
Heretical_i
I'm totally in the present. I never see marxists feed people at fnb either where I vounteer regularly. Armchairs are too comfortable to get out of @yogthos 🤣😎
@Yogthos
Yogthos
ah yep, obviously it's not happening if you didn't see it.

You gotta love how anarchists are just liberals cosplaying. Everything is down to individualism with you in the end.

It's not really about affecting any real meaningful change. It's about making yourself the star. I go volunteer, I'm a good person, and the fact that I'm achieving fuck all doesn't matter. Not my fault, I voted! 💅
Heretical_i
Excuse me? Volunteering to feed poor people just like me at fnb for the last decade isn't an individualist trait. My current 'employment' at 71 is playing 'camp counselor' over a rotating and often alcohol/drug addicted crew of society's rejects at an open air 10pm to 7am legal squat at a local church where I sleep as well. Perfectly suited for the 'job', having been street people for at least half of my post puberty life.Sitting in an armchair pontificating is an individualist trait.
Yogthos
I love how you keep making it about yourself and you don't even see it 😆

Look at the virtuous me who does all these things while everybody I disagree with is armchair pontificating. Why do people not want to associate with me, it's such a mystery!
Heretical_i
Backgrounders and personal histories are important. Its not about me, but knowing 'where someone is coming from' is important to understanding how someone's analysis developed. I come from the Proletariat, as you refer to grunt workers, not an armchair. Never owned one myself @yogthos
@Yogthos
Yogthos
nah, your whole background establishing is just so you can do a hamfisted argument from authority here.

It's also quite telling that you see certain jobs as being the proletariat while others as not. Really shows what an elitist you actually are.
Heretical_i
Not everyone dusagrees with me except maybe every pontificator in an armchair.

Ps. You're making this about me. Stop the gaslighting bs.
Yogthos
I'm not the one doing the chest pounding here bud, besides you're the one who decided to sealion into my post to impart your 'wisdom'
Heretical_i
There won't be, but not because of the reasons you believe. There will never be another revolution in China either to restore Mao's little red book ideology, unless it happens soon, for the same reason. Consumerism... a pathology. Hook the chinese on shiny shit, and fascinated by it they will NEVER EVER do anything to impede their ability to acquire shiny shit. It works the same in every technologically 'advanced' nation.
Yogthos
China doesn't need another revolution. Your whole problem is that you refuse to actually learn about China. You're a victim of capitalist realism as most westerns are.

The sad part here isn't that you're misinformed, but that you're aggressively ignorant.
Heretical_i
i "China doesn't need another revolution".

YOU SAY.🤣
That mob that killed those corrupt cops might disagree, you know? They also are NOT going to be nominated to be 'deputies'. Go on. Say 'the majority likes it so it's all good' so I can laugh my mf ao. Revolution is a a continual process. That pov is why Stalin gave trotsky the icepick party. How 'socialist' is THAT? 🤣
Yogthos
the best thing about you is just how confident you are in the drivel that you've internalized 😆
Heretical_i
One person's drivel is another's ideology. Thanks for proving my point about how well mls alienate themeselves from the proletariat they claim to organize. Next up... purging drivelers! 🤣
Yogthos
not associating with toxic people is just basic self care
Heretical_i
Read what I do for shits and gigggles at night on another thread here Americans consider drug and alcohol addicted people toxic, and have them persecuted. So do shitass middleclass marxists... who nimby just as viciously as any sTrumpEt. Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Yogthos
you, bud, are living proof that you don't need drugs or alcohol to be a raging asshole
Heretical_i
You're right, and so am I.🤣

But somehow I manage to deal with some of the people who otherwise scare the living fucknout of the local gentry. I can be VERY diplomatic, and speak in a way the LUMPEN PROLETARIAT understand, as opposed to Americam Marxists in their dialectic towers and armchairs.
Yogthos
glad you've found likeminded individuals to feel superior together with
Heretical_i
Sure. Tell ya something... Junkies are smart, and angry, and they turn on themselves instead of the root causes of their addiction from knowing too much and feeling powerless. That's why they need an escape. Work at a drug rehab clinic. That's where the lumpen are, waiting for you to organize them. I'm doing freelance work speaking in a language thry understand.
Yogthos
the reality is that there needs to be a critical mass of workers who all have a shared understanding of what the problems are and how to go about solving them. And if you think that certain groups of workers are more important than others then you are in fact part of the problem.
Heretical_i
The reality is in disenfranchised identity and personality worshipping social environments like the US that 'critical mass' will be Blackshirts.

Did I mention how the US 'left' disenfranchised, ridiculed, called the fucking b i, on what HAD TO BE a perfect recruiting pool, and handed them to organized fascist orgs on a platter? Most people calling themselves left in the US have some obvious fascist tendencies at 'crunch time' or are incapable of educating https://archive.ph/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/10/capitol-insurrectionists-jenna-ryan-financial-problems/ (1/2)
Yogthos
not exactly a surprise given the 'left' in US focuses on infighting above all else.

However, it's pretty clear that there is capacity for people to organize as we saw with millions of people all getting on the same page with Sanders. Except, of course the organizing was around electoralism instead of anything useful.
Heretical_i
Speaking of bernjob, the 'socialist' who never was a socialist https://kafeneio.social/@heretical_i/114203768691650502

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Attached: 1 image ""BernieSanders votes on a resolution that supports #genocide against #Gaza The American senator, previously known for his (🤣) left-wing politics, has supported a bill introduced by #LindseyGraham and other war hawks that calls fo…
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Yogthos
he's basically a modern day version of Bernstein. His sole purpose is to act as a pressure release valve and divert revolutionary energy towards electoralism. And he does his job admirably.
Heretical_i
Yep. I refer to him as a shill who gets progressives to believe there will be change to their advantage. Trump is the red faction version where the wwe wrestlemania heel persona plays well.
Yogthos
the key part here though is that the US workers are absolutely capable of organizing at scale and building a movement, it just needs principled leadership to move in the right direction.

There is no reason why something like MAS in Bolivia wouldn't be possible in US.
Heretical_i
Problem is @yogthos most of the 'organizing' leaders I've ever come in contact with, and still do, lack 'principle' and talk down to the people they're ostensibly trying to organize; lumpen & workers, bc Pedantic Academic theorists. One group in the 60s whose name I forget but still exists actually tried getting jobs in east coast factories to organize workers. They got derided and literally chased away within a couple of months. You have to be them to organize them. Same w street people etc.
@Yogthos
Yogthos
be the change you want to see instead of complaining about it. Help engage with people trying to organize and educate them on better ways to do that.

People all over the world have figured out ways to do this, but Americans just keep making excuses as to why they can't.
Heretical_i
Theyre busy shopping; maxing out the plastic. At the end of the month @ my pseudoriche prog-lib town all you have to do is watch a checkout line @ supermarkets & see people fishing for a card that still works @yogthos When JFK said the thing about 'evil forces who would destroy our way of life' my mom was getting the 1st revolving credit cards. Oilcos came 1st. She cut them into confetti, pouring it into the mailers, and sending them back. I think he saw eternal debt as that evil. Not communism.
@Yogthos
Yogthos
at this point nearly half the population uses credit to pay for the essentials. And the reason here is that wages have not kept up with the cost of living. The whole house of cards that is the US economy is now starting to come apart.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billhardekopf/2024/10/31/this-week-in-credit-card-news-40-of-households-now-rely-on-credit-cards-to-pay-the-bills/

This Week In Credit Card News: 40% Of Households Now Rely On Credit Cards To Pay The Bills

What took place this week in the credit card and payment industries
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Heretical_i
Oh yeah, and no; I'm NOT following. It just automagically appeared🧐

"Supply/demand. When demand is down prices drop. The clipped comment sums it but leaves out why.

"We’ll have a surplus again since we people can’t afford to go anywhere."

No point driving to a Megamall miles away if ur plastic is maxed. Slow pay/defaults on plastic, car loans, etc, are @ record highs.

The US econ has been collapsing since 1983's 'stagflation'. It's a slow process no one noticed/denied/rationalized."
White house fb post crowing about cheaper gas, that's actually about the same price as the blue factions time in power.
Yogthos
the whole game has been to just kick the can down the road, and that's where credit comes in. US is basically a feudal society at this point where you have a handful of oligarchs who own everything and a bunch of serfs living who are living in indentured servitude.
Heretical_i
America got rich postwwtwice rebuilding eu, japan etc. It had sustained no real infrastructure damage and had massive economic advantage. Japan had been reduced to making toys and novelty items for US children, for example. I remember some for sale at the Brooklyn Museum of Natural History as a child even in early 60s. The whole petro infrastucture of e eu was destroyed by allied bombing etc

America squandered it in the manner eisenhower presciently described; and now it's about gone.
Yogthos
lol I just literally wrote about this here https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7226465/6061085

RT - Russia will never betray China – Lavrov - Lemmygrad

Lemmy
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Heretical_i
I agree with the lede. My commenting earlier about a thread I was involved in discussing China's industrialization ... in that thread said Russian infrastructural and economic development was 'more methodical and more carefully thought through'. So we have a good economic partnership matchup ... a geoeconomic Hedge so to speak.
Heretical_i
What I just said... "...a geopolitical paradigm where Russia is incentivized to openly hedge against China..." if you meant in the econ sense. I was admittedly skimming.
Yogthos
China and Russia now have a convergence of both economic and security interests. Both the see the US as a monkey with a hand grenade.
Heretical_i
they just noticed?Geopolitical chaos makes the rich richer. That's a nobrainer.
Yogthos
it's more that they weren't really in a position to do much about it until recently
Heretical_i
...to assuredly do anything about it. China could have whacked the us economy for the last few decades by simply dumping all the us govt securities and tbills it holds.... but that would have killed one of their larger consumption bases. Us consumers. Still would even with anRu econ alliance and us sanctions. Globalization is a double edged sword.
Yogthos
I mean they don't want to crash their own economy in the process, not to mention the fact that US has been itching to have a war with China for a while now. The economic dependence was a big factor preventing that. Now they feel like they've managed to both decouple and build up their military capacity to start challenging the US more openly. The whole debacle in Ukraine played a big role here too.
Heretical_i
Ukraine=Lookout over the caspian basin gas fields and regional petro infrastructure. Gas from oil fields peaks about 50 years after the oil and I suspect that's where a hot wwiii war will occur... near 2100 if Irans petrogeologists prediction of a ME oil pool peak around 2040.
Yogthos
thing is that oil is already becoming irrelevant because Chinese renewables are incredibly cheap now.

https://www.scmp.com/business/commodities/article/3272181/wind-and-solar-surpass-40-chinas-power-capacity-year-end

And China is now exporting this tech to all of Global South. So, the developing countries will not be nearly as reliant on oil even as their industries grow.

In the next 50 years, the west will likely be the only place where fossil fuels are still used.

Wind and solar to surpass 40% of China’s power capacity by year-end

China is making progress in cleaning up its act on cutting down the use of coal in its power generation mix, as the share of the dirty fuel falls below renewables for the first time.
Yujie Xue (South China Morning Post)
Heretical_i
Renewables renew everything but the planet. Tell me a tree farm is a real environmentally sound replacement for a natural forest for example. The concept is a dysfunctional joke making people invested in oilcos globally rich, with government subsidies too. A local cvs pharmacy/store with banks of echargers in the lot proudly displaying the Shell oilco logo, and windmill/solar farms dev/operations by startups financed by oilcos using federal money. TECHNOCRACY. Only helps richbitches
Heretical_i
When the oil and gas run out, it's over.
Yogthos
clearly not given that alternative energy is already cheaper. It's so cheap that it's even being used in the US increasingly, not because the US gives a shit about the environment but because fossil fuels are no longer cost effective.
Heretical_i
Define Cheaper in TrueCost economic terms

Adbusters did a psa about the problem years ago, and it isn't JUST a capitalist nation problem. It's a DENIAL problem
Yogthos
it's cheaper in lifetime cost as well now. Believe it or not, but technology advances over time.

https://www.nrel.gov/solar/market-research-analysis/solar-manufacturing-cost.html
Heretical_i
I'm liking that 'monkey with a hand grenade' bit... considering it for a screenname or bio...🤣😎
Heretical_i
ps. I knew abbie bookchin ben morea/the uawmf crew as a runaway on the LE Side in the 60s. They NEVER talked down to me and spoke w/ me at a level I understood. I was motivated; they nurtured it. That's why I my hackles go up when ppl deride anarchists. As with the rest of US left 80% are complete fakes and posers, but the ones who aren't

From a very cool dude who did commentary @ local radio https://archive.org/details/tth_120320/ "All It Takes Is 20 Dedicated Citizens Out Of 100 To Make History"

March 20 2012 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: All It Takes Is 20 Dedicated Citizens Out Of 100 To Make History : Travus T. Hipp - Cabale News Service : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

A Synopsis Of This Morning's News... H/t to ChrisM my MP3Angel for supplying the audio files. After the commentary, George Carlin. «o» #Tango GONE!...
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Heretical_i
Therefore @yogthos, Triage and damage control. As some rapper said: "No one can do everything, but everyone can do something.". What I did at 630 am this morning was wake up a couple of housing deprived fallouts from American society. A junkie sleeping in the church doorway and a guy who seemed to be a 'slightly slow' Chicano gangsta who set up a tent in another doorway. As I said, I can be very diplomatic. I can also communicate with acab quite well despite my despising them if there are probs
@Yogthos
Yogthos
it's doubly hilarious that you missed the point that what your picture illustrates is that people in China do in fact have agency and they are able to challenge bad governance when it happens
Heretical_i
IF the police can identify them Im sure they'd disappear into a hole juat like what would happen in the US.

PS. Riots are 'agency' in the US too, and just like China THEY ARE NOT 'agents' of government process like your deputy boy scouts.
Yogthos
except that's not what happens in China, something you'd know if you actually had a clue regarding the subject. People in China regularly riot this way when they feel wronged, and the policy look the other way.

This is why the US has one of the highest rates of incarceration in the world, while China has one of the lowest.

Keep on projecting there bud, it's adorable.

https://www.workers.org/2015/07/21101/#.WXOlQtPytsM

China, rising wages and worker militancy

Workers' wages in the United States have been stagnant since the 1970s in terms of purchasing power. It is common knowledge that it now takes several wage earners in most working-class families just to meet basic expenses.
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