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Talking to my parents and friends in Serbia about the evac and fire.. and they are asking all these post-socialist questions that I think will give folks in #LosAngeles a nice chuckle.

1) Are the civilian response teams distributing air filters?

2) When does the team come for you to clear your building for the evacuation?

3) Oh, boy, the state is probably gonna have to work hard to rebuild all that housing.

4) Did they sequester all the public buses for evac yet?

#Wildfires
#losangeles #wildfires
Miloš Jovanović
Since people are boosting: to be clear, it's not that this happens very well in ex-Yugo.

It's that the public imagination of the responsibility of the state is very different.

Here's a good book about it:

https://www.berghahnbooks.com/title/JansenYearnings

#Yugoslavia #postsocialism #anthropology #DisasterResponse

Yearnings in the Meantime: 'Normal Lives' and the State in a Sarajevo Apartment Complex | Berghahn Books

Independent Publishing since 1994
www.berghahnbooks.com
#disasterresponse #anthropology #Yugoslavia #postsocialism
Harry
It's not being boosted because the previous socialist experiments were perfect, but because this concept of a state that even nominally cares about it's people is so foreign to a predominantly western audience

(And personally, I'd take that over this individualist hell we"ve built)
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Miloš Jovanović
I wouldn’t say Western, more like US in specific, especially after 1975.
Harry
the US sure, but at the very least in the UK as well - we've seen the complete cooption of Labour (founded as an explicitly socialist party) into a comfortable 'opposition' to the right party (Tories or Reform at this point).

The majority of Europe has been moving right for the past 30 years, limiting it to the US is optimistic ☹️
Miloš Jovanović
That is generally true (also in the Balkans), but popular demands of the state are still quite different between the UK and US, even after Thatcherism.

Starmer’s Labour really sucks but they are promising to nationalize British Rail. That’s stuff is a no go here.
https://adhd.irenes.space/users/ireneista
as someone who grew up in the US, we actually had a few hours of serious cognitive dissonance with a friend in the UK some years ago, and when we finally figured out what was causing it, it was that the UK's idea of radical mistreatment of its people was still really heartwarming and responsible compared to the US at its best
https://adhd.irenes.space/users/ireneista
it is absolutely true that conservative parties around the world are seeking to dismantle government institutions and imitate the US model, but the US is really notably bad to a degree that people who've only lived in one country may have trouble imagining
https://adhd.irenes.space/users/ireneista
so, like, please all stop your conservatives if you can. don't be like the US. treat it as the cautionary tale it deserves to be.
MsMerope
the LA area has many robust CERT programs I’d be surprised if they weren’t activated.
Miloš Jovanović
I’m glad to learn of them. Thank you. I live a couple of blocks from the evac zone of the Sunset fire and let me tell you no one showed up. They also didn’t show up for people inside the red zone, who were getting embers on their balconies (like by Fuller and Vista).

Not they were not engaged elsewhere, this part I don’t know.
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