I wonder what all those Israel-supporting libs think the word 'settler' actually means?

@MatWright @chris

Your first though that comes to mind as fascists take over is "the Jews had it coming"?

What an utterly shit take on my post.

Perhaps you are unaware that the anti-Zionist movement is led, globally, by Jews? Definitely not 'the Jews had it coming'. The Zionists did though.

So fuck off fascist. This is not the day for you to be spouting Naziism on my timeline.

@H4Heights

"Dude, please read some literature"

Thanks 'dude'. I've read quite a bit.

But yes - there are forms of Zionism - not all of which involve massacring Palestinians. However, as understood and propagated in our media and by the Israeli Gov and her supporters, there is one form. And that currently-dominant form does involve massacring Palestinians. A lot of Israeli writing since the Nakba - including liberal authors - have maintained that Zionist dehumanisation.

@MatWright @chris

Great then.

The ideology of the current Israeli government is Kahanism. Speaking of "Zionism" is incredibly unspecific, and encompasses almost the entirety of Israel's political compass: it's used the same way as patriotism. And therefore, you can't really say it's "incompatible with Judaism". It's like I'd go around saying how American patriotism ruins the world. Let's not.

And: Kahanism, which I assume is what you meant, is indeed contradictory to everything Judaism is about. But there are lots of ideologies that call themselves Zionism as well, and aren't.

The only interests calling Kahanism Zionism serves is Kahanists': that way, they can oppress their opposition by calling them "anti Zionist"—think "anti patriotic", the implication is clear: "traitor".

Well - I'm not Jewish, but Jewish mates talk about Zionism in this way.

And I was inspired to learn more listening, some years ago, to a member of the Biritish Board of Jewish Deputies on the BBC Today programme who said that you cannot be a Jew and not be a Zionist. And he explained what it meant. It meant what I mean when I use the word Zionist.

So - take youer point. But no one knows what Kahanism is. But we all know what 'Zionism' is - as used.

@MatWright @chris

And I was inspired to learn more listening, some years ago, to a member of the Biritish Board of Jewish Deputies on the BBC Today programme who said that you cannot be a Jew and not be a Zionist. And he explained what it meant. It meant what I mean when I use the word Zionist.

They were either Kahanist or Bibistic themselves. Plus, I wouldn't call the BBC a reliable source on Israel Palestine: they can't seem to decide whose side's war crimes they want to lie about.

But no one knows what Kahanism is

People Google it, or ask, or just assume your intention from context (as it's incredibly clear; you don't necessarily need to know the history of the term, though should). That's the word I use, always. And if they don't know: introduce it. It's important to know what terms the other side wants you to use (Zionism) to refer to them, and why.

The fediverse doesn't only consist of the English-speaking world; There are lots of other cultures here, and this meaning of Zionism is pretty unique to Kahanists and American media consumers (which is everyone, yes, but native English speakers especially).

I am pretty confident that this meaning is understood across W Europe and the UK too. I live and work in Zurich: the Swiss talk about Zionism in these terms; as do the French and Germans. If someone says 'Zionist' it seems they will be understood to mean Bibi politics.

But it seems a fair point: how about Khalanist-Zionism? Seems to differentiate - while being comprehensible?

Edited for accuracy: Kahanist, not Khalanist (thanks @laxla )

@MatWright @chris

*Kahanist, not Khalanist. I'm pretty sure there's no movement aiming to genocide all forms of bread but Khalas from the face of the earth.

But yes, that'd work.

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It's nice to be able to smile today. Thank you.

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