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Dear friends, #screenreader users, #blind users and #accessibility professionals in particular.
Are you using chat over traditional email as provided by #DeltaChat / #DeltaLab / #ArcaneChat?
I like it uses traditional email infrastructure, is federated, supports end to end encryption, rich content including audio / voice messages. I have even recognized @adb has implemented screen reader accessibility specific features into the android app.
However I have quickly tried electron based app on linux with orca screen reader, exchanged a few messages back and fort between two of my personal accounts using the DeltaChat app and thunderbird and I haven't found the user experience verry appealing. I can't understand how to effectivelly navigate in the list of conversations and list of messages.
Therefore I would be interested to hear a few comments from people knowing this platform better. How accessible is it on different platforms?
On the desktop is the electron based app a prefered choice?
Also some other questions. For the best experience, do I need a new email address or can I use my existing self-hosted one I have already configured in thunderbird?
Ffeel free to point me to a FAQ, some up to date introductory documentation if you think my questions don't make much sense please.
#accessibility #blind #screenreader #deltachat #DeltaLab #arcanechat @adb
WofWca
and for Desktop there is also @deltatouch, and I think I've heard of some CLI version. But the Electron version is the "main" one, yes.
@deltatouch
Peter Vágner
@WofWca Looking more it looks to me you are working on some amazing accessibility related improvements. While I was testing a few weeks ago I had issues navigating the lists. hmm, perhaps I need to figure out how to build with this PR and see for my-self if it might be related. https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-desktop/pull/4441

Edit: oh, there are more PRs resolving keyboard navigation and accessibility related issues. It's really right about perfect time I have discovered this thing.

Thanks and keep up the great work please
@WofWca
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WofWca
for a specific MR you can download a preview build that is linked it the bottom of the MR page.
Thanks! But we're still far from done.
Peter Vágner
@WofWca Thanks for the hint I'll explore it more.
@WofWca
Peter Vágner
@WofWca So I have finally updated to the latest and greatest #deltachat desktop. And I must say I am really impressed.
Both lists, list of conversations and list of messages are now keyboard navigable.
The hint for the screen reader users is that not all of the screen readers may switch into focus mode automatically so once you do this manually you can enjoy the user experience the way it has been designed.
Also there are nice keyboard shortcuts e.g. ctrl+n for jumping into the input box, ctrl+k for search and more.
Now I do really need to explore more i.e. what about the encryption. Can I use my existing GPG key or add a subkey or is that handled transparently on the background? I need to figure out if I should create new email for chatting or use my primary email.
Still from the accessibility point of view we are really getting something usefull I think.
#deltachat @WofWca
Peter Vágner
Note to my-self and other people like me:
Read the #deltachat help it's all perfectly explained there in easy to follow language. It's even translated to various different languages already.
The number one answer for me is that there are #deltachat specific so called #chatmail servers suitable for anonymous instant messaging over email.
So eventhough I like to self host my emails, I think I'll go with existing #chatmail server at least initially.
#chatmail #deltachat
Delta Chat
indeed, these days we recommend newcomers to use chatmail servers first and explore, also with friends, how things go and feel. Once interest is established it may be worth the effort to also run one or two simply be happy with the existing chatmail servers
devSJR :python: :rstats:
Some time ago, there was an attempt to help users to migrate from one server to another, like taking the phone number. I guess you know what I mean. Is there something still in the making? Because this would ease a transition from a chatmail server to an own server, for example.
Delta Chat
If you have mostly or only "green-checkmarked" chats you can reconfigure your e-mail address to another server and then send a message to your contact which should update them. This will not migrate unencrypted or opportunistically encrypted chats, though, which is why we don't prominently recommend it. Another way is to create a new profile, and then add it to all relevant chats and remove the old profile. More cumbersome but also pretty failsafe.
devSJR :python: :rstats:
but this would not transfer the messages from one server to another (users remain the same), right?
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