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Have I told you the good news of Delta Chat?

I use #Signal & like it a lot. I've played around with #DeltaChat & it's got some killer features that Signal doesn't. This is coming from a non-techie, but it uses encypted email in the background & nothing is stored on anyone's server in any country.

That's all awesome, but even more than that it's FUN! It allows you to do things like play games in the chat with people making FOSS apps for it, I guess.

@feld can probably answer any tech questions, but I wanted to give it a shoutout.

https://friedcheese.us/objects/8dc022a1-438c-41f7-986a-f8e752a3e7c8

@redstateinsurgents
feld @feld@friedcheese.us Your secure instant messenger should not have a CEO

feld (@feld@friedcheese.us)

Your secure instant messenger should not have a CEO
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Adnan 🦙
We just moved - 5 years ago - a few early adopters from WhatsApp to Signal.

Should I ask all of them to move to @delta now? First impressions are important. Is it ready for nontech activists?
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Sir Rochard 'Dock' Bunson
IMO, no. I know how big of a challenge it is to get a group to switch communications apps & in your situation I wouldn't.

I still trust #Signal & use it for my groups. If someone were just getting into using encrypted chat, then I would recommend #DeltaChat. I haven't experienced any buggy glitches, it has more upside & I love the community being built around it. It wasn't any harder for me to start using than matrix or mastodon.
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Delta Chat
we generally recommend to start by switching together with family, friends or existing special-interest groups or small activist orgs. #webxdc apps (calendar, editor, games) can provide a real functionality benefit, so it's not "just" about ethics. This approach won't immediately replace all WhatsApp usage but is a good base to expand from. Anyone who gets added to a group will immediately have secure contact and chats with all group members, also in DMs with them.
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Delta Chat
To be clear: Sir Rochard Dock Bunson is right. Unless there is a good reason, there is no need to rush with moving a group that uses Signal to Delta now. Some families did this move last year to Delta because some of them lost all of their data while carefully trying to move to a new device. Might be that Signal has meanwhile a better move-between-devices story, though.
david_chisnall
@redstateinsurgents
it uses encypted email in the background & nothing is stored on anyone's server in any country.
These two statements are opposite. If it uses email, then messages are stored on a mail server. Even if it’s encrypted, the sender and receiver must be plaintext and are visible to the operators of both the sending and receiving mail servers, which operate in at least one country.

If you use your own mail server, then it’s easy for a third party to just watch the (encrypted) network traffic to know who you are talking to. If you use one of the big ones such as GMail or Outlook Online then the operator of that server sees all of your connections. If one of your correspondents uses a big mail server then the operator can see your connection to their users and build at least a partial social graph.

This kind of metadata is incredibly valuable to both advertisers and more malicious users. Facebook bought WhatsApp harvest this data, because it was sufficiently valuable to them even in the presence of end to end encryption. It’s the same thing that nation-state dragnets collect.

The Signal protocol was designed to make it hard for even the operators of the server to collect this information.
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@redstateinsurgents
It's true that recipient addresses are today known to the sending SMTP server even if they don't appear in the MIME-message. Recipients' SMTP servers will only see the recipient addresses on their domain, however, and not the recipients of other servers. There are ways to hide both the sender and receiver addresses but that is not implemented yet. As to IP addresses of group members, they are also known to Signal, cloudflare etc.
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