"Theory of mind"
And why it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
A thread.
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#Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent #AuDHD #ADHD #Neurodiversity
And why it isn't all it's cracked up to be.
A thread.
🧵
#Autistic #ActuallyAutistic #Neurodivergent #AuDHD #ADHD #Neurodiversity
Katy Elphinstone •
In this aspect (our brain size) we quickly outstripped other species by country miles!
A bit like redwoods growing so tall. To compete with one another, but to their detriment as a group... since it takes so much energy to bring nutrients and water to the uppermost tiers & you're very vulnerable to the weather.
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Katy Elphinstone •
Now, enter #autistics.
Even the name, #autism - it's about not being what's considered properly 'socialised'.
Katy Elphinstone •
Our focus seems to have wandered to other things - light, nature, animals, objects, patterns... everything and anything!
Now let's turn to mentalising. Theory of mind.
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Katy Elphinstone •
It's pretty obvious they're going to be at a major disadvantage among other humans! Yikes.
But... is it a deficit?
Some of the qualities shown in autistics, such as:
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Katy Elphinstone •
- not succumbing to persuasion e.g. in a polling situation
- preferring outcomes to intentions (aka 'logic' - sorry, ahem, spoken like a true autistic!)
- not being susceptible to advertising
- preferring lots of data to heuristics
- a strong sense of moral justice and not 'different rules for different people'
#Autistic
(note: I'll add the references to studies and books for this thread later, when I've got a bit more time!)
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Katy Elphinstone •
I can certainly see why current human society would frame them as such!
But I have another word for possessing less 'theory of mind'.
Authenticity.
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jonoleth •
Kat •
However, we tend to fail the ND-designed tests for it because we don't make the consensus-approved assumptions.
In-/out-groups appear to be a separate thing, relating to extrinsic identity based on group membership. Annoyingly, I don't think I bookmarked the excellently-written essay that described this.
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jonoleth •
Regarding in-/outgroups, I just mean that I think they wouldn't exist if Theory of Mind worked the way the NTs want to believe it works.
Like you said, NTs test for consensus-approved assumptions. If you fail, you're in the outgroup. If you're in the ingroup, you're expected to comply with and enforce the norms/consensus, or at least pretend you are.
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Katy Elphinstone •
Posing theory of mind as such an unequivocally positive thing negates any human propensity towards deception, cruelty, hurting one another for our own game, unconscious unfairness, war, & incidental nature and species destruction in the process....
(It's posed as though we would be using our 'theory of mind' mostly for being kind to one another!)
I mean, it shows a quite astounding level of non self-awareness.
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Katy Elphinstone •
Why human brains became so large:
- González-Forero, M. and Gardner, A. (2018). Inference of ecological and social drivers of human brain-size evolution. Nature, [online] 557(7706), pp.554–557. doi:https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-018-0127-x.
Hidden motivations in humans:
- Simler, K. and Hanson, R. (2018). The elephant in the brain : hidden motives in everyday life. New York, Ny: Oxford University Press, ©20.
Inference of ecological and social drivers of human brain-size evolution - Nature
NatureKaty Elphinstone •
Autistic atypical attention to human stimuli:
- Zhou, X., Siddiqui, H. and Rutherford, M.D. (2024). Face perception and social cognitive development in early autis. Child Development. doi:https://doi.org/10.1111/cdev.14144.
Strong sense of justice in autistics:
team, N. editorial (2024). Autistic Sense of Justice: Understanding and Embracing a Unique Perspective. [online] NeuroLaunch.com. Available at: https://neurolaunch.com/autistic-sense-of-justice/ [Accessed 18 Mar. 2025].
Understanding the Autistic Sense of Justice
NeuroLaunch editorial team (NeuroLaunch.com)Katy Elphinstone •
Autistic people not being as susceptible to advertising:
- 'Why Advertising Falls Flat in Individuals With Autism' | Psychology Today. [online] Available at: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-fallible-mind/201708/why-advertising-falls-flat-in-individuals-autism.
Autistic people preferring more data to heuristics:
- Bastan, E., Beck, S.R. and Surtees, A.D. (2024). Autistic people differ from non-autistic people subjectively, but not objectively in their reasoning. Autism. doi:https://doi.org/10.1177/13623613241277055.
What if a certain mindset and "disability" made you a savvier consumer?
Richard E. Cytowic M.D. (Psychology Today)Katy Elphinstone •
More consistency and less bias in decision-making in autistics:
- De Martino, B., Harrison, N.A., Knafo, S., Bird, G. and Dolan, R.J. (2008). Explaining Enhanced Logical Consistency during Decision Making in Autism. Journal of Neuroscience, 28(42), pp.10746–10750. doi:https://doi.org/10.1523/jneurosci.2895-08.2008.
Explaining Enhanced Logical Consistency during Decision Making in Autism
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Franchesca •
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mechanistisches Entmench •
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40700
Is It Confidence or an Inferiority Complex?
Elizabeth Plumptre (Verywell Mind)Katy Elphinstone •
"Neurotypical Peers are Less Willing to Interact with Those with Autism based on Thin Slice Judgments"
Does not surprise me.
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