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The reason human brains grew so large was to manage around, and compete with, other humans.

In this aspect (our brain size) we quickly outstripped other species by country miles!

A bit like redwoods growing so tall. To compete with one another, but to their detriment as a group... since it takes so much energy to bring nutrients and water to the uppermost tiers & you're very vulnerable to the weather.

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Our grey matter - and the sheer amount of it (energy-draining, esp when combined with the heavy skull it needs for protection) - grew that way to help us, as individuals living in human societies, a) detect deception, and b) deceive and outdo others. Of our own species.

Now, enter #autistics.

Even the name, #autism - it's about not being what's considered properly 'socialised'.
Autistic babies don't show the heavy attention bias towards other humans that human babies generally do.

Our focus seems to have wandered to other things - light, nature, animals, objects, patterns... everything and anything!

Now let's turn to mentalising. Theory of mind.

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People who haven't been focusing on social intrigue since infancy, but on other things.

It's pretty obvious they're going to be at a major disadvantage among other humans! Yikes.

But... is it a deficit?

Some of the qualities shown in autistics, such as:

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- lack of herd mentality
- not succumbing to persuasion e.g. in a polling situation
- preferring outcomes to intentions (aka 'logic' - sorry, ahem, spoken like a true autistic!)
- not being susceptible to advertising
- preferring lots of data to heuristics
- a strong sense of moral justice and not 'different rules for different people'

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(note: I'll add the references to studies and books for this thread later, when I've got a bit more time!)
Are these deficits?

I can certainly see why current human society would frame them as such!

But I have another word for possessing less 'theory of mind'.

Authenticity.
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#Neurodivergent #ActuallyAutistic #ASD #Autism #AuDHD
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Since I first heard about Theory of mind, I have come to believe that it - like eye contact - is old-fashioned, outdated, and misleading. This might just be because I only realised my autism in 2022, so I'd had nearly 62 years (start of school), to learn to mask my neurodifference.
I agree. It's a flawed concept.
tbh I think what the NTs call Theory of Mind is just rote memorization of social norms. "If someone is in situation X, they're supposed to feel emotion Y". They're actually pretty bad at understanding people with even slightly different experiences than them, hence xenophobia, ingroup/outgroups, etc.
Nailed it: I believe most NDs develop a robust theory of mind, purely as a survival mechanism.
However, we tend to fail the ND-designed tests for it because we don't make the consensus-approved assumptions.

In-/out-groups appear to be a separate thing, relating to extrinsic identity based on group membership. Annoyingly, I don't think I bookmarked the excellently-written essay that described this.
@KatyElphinstone @Tooden
completely agree.

Regarding in-/outgroups, I just mean that I think they wouldn't exist if Theory of Mind worked the way the NTs want to believe it works.

Like you said, NTs test for consensus-approved assumptions. If you fail, you're in the outgroup. If you're in the ingroup, you're expected to comply with and enforce the norms/consensus, or at least pretend you are.

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Yes, exactly.

Posing theory of mind as such an unequivocally positive thing negates any human propensity towards deception, cruelty, hurting one another for our own game, unconscious unfairness, war, & incidental nature and species destruction in the process....

(It's posed as though we would be using our 'theory of mind' mostly for being kind to one another!)

I mean, it shows a quite astounding level of non self-awareness.

@KatS @Tooden
References (1):

Why human brains became so large:
- González-Forero, M. and Gardner, A. (2018). Inference of ecological and social drivers of human brain-size evolution. Nature, [online] 557(7706), pp.554–557. doi:https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-018-0127-x.

Hidden motivations in humans:
‌- Simler, K. and Hanson, R. (2018). The elephant in the brain : hidden motives in everyday life. New York, Ny: Oxford University Press, ©20.



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Autistic atypical attention to human stimuli:
- Zhou, X., Siddiqui, H. and Rutherford, M.D. (2024). Face perception and social cognitive development in early autis. Child Development. doi:https://doi.org/10.1111/cdev.14144.

Strong sense of justice in autistics:
team, N. editorial (2024). Autistic Sense of Justice: Understanding and Embracing a Unique Perspective. [online] NeuroLaunch.com. Available at: https://neurolaunch.com/autistic-sense-of-justice/ [Accessed 18 Mar. 2025].
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Autistic people not being as susceptible to advertising:
- 'Why Advertising Falls Flat in Individuals With Autism' | Psychology Today. [online] Available at: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-fallible-mind/201708/why-advertising-falls-flat-in-individuals-autism.

Autistic people preferring more data to heuristics:
- Bastan, E., Beck, S.R. and Surtees, A.D. (2024). Autistic people differ from non-autistic people subjectively, but not objectively in their reasoning. Autism. doi:https://doi.org/10.1177/13623613241277055.
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References (4)

More consistency and less bias in decision-making in autistics:
- De Martino, B., Harrison, N.A., Knafo, S., Bird, G. and Dolan, R.J. (2008). Explaining Enhanced Logical Consistency during Decision Making in Autism. Journal of Neuroscience, 28(42), pp.10746–10750. doi:https://doi.org/10.1523/jneurosci.2895-08.2008.

I love how they fall over themselves to explain autistic lack of bias as a deficit 😅
Yeah it would be almost comical if it were not so... 😭
Gullibility makes the business world go round, and helps politics. @Frantasaur
https://www.verywellmind.com/understanding-the-inferiority-complex-5186892

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40700
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Interesting!

"Neurotypical Peers are Less Willing to Interact with Those with Autism based on Thin Slice Judgments"

Does not surprise me.

@Tooden @Frantasaur
I try hard not to make snap judgements, but body language gives some people away almost immediately. @walkinglampshade @Frantasaur
Yeah. Body language like my forehead is a fivehead. It's not even a sixhead nor a twohead, so NTs should be able to handle it. A client AKA guest in Colorado slowly told me, "hey, your forehead is big … like … a fivehead." My Kansas friend whispered, "oh my ---, man, your forehead is huge" and someone's husband up and told me "hey, why don't you put your big forehead to some use?" So yeah, body language.

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