@palestine @israel You're not wrong. And it's so heartbreaking to read about the abuses and humiliation Palestinians suffer day in and day out, even children, even to just cross the street.

However, wouldn't have been better to vote for the lesser of two evils? I would have expected Harris to be much harder on the Israeli government once she got in and to listen to Senator Bernie Sanders, who has been asking the US gov to stop funding the Israeli war machine for a long time.

1. When has voting for "the lesser evil" worked?
2. Why do you think Harris would have stopped funding genocide, what statements or policies positions led you to that conclusion?

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@palestine @israel This was a "very evil" vs. "a much lesser evil" regarding Gaza. Even though Harris was parroting Biden's statements about "Israel having the right to defend itself", she mentioned the deaths and suffering of innocent civilians, which I don't recall Biden saying.

I haven't read it or heard it anywhere, but my gut tells me that she would have been much more forceful in demanding a ceasefire and the administration change would have been the perfect excuse. Even to the point of enabling an arms embargo to force the negotiations.

Netanyahu has disrespected Biden at every turn and something tells me that wouldn't work with Harris.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking. But maybe as a woman and a mother she would have seen the children and fellow women as human beings.

Was she behaving that way to secure her access to the White House? Would it have been political suicide to declare support for the Palestinians and a ceasefire from the get go and that's why she didn't say it explicitly? I don't know, but it's plausible.

@palestine @israel setting that aside for one moment; When has voting for the "lesser evil" historically ever achieved a desired political outcome? (Restating my first question.)

@palestine @israel I don't see how relevant is that question in this case. One option was learning towards fascism and the other would have preserved democracy. That impacts everything, including foreign policy.

We knew for a fact that the next administration's foreign policy was going to be much worse than the alternative. And I had hope that Harris would rein in Netanyahu once in power.

Huckabee has just been nominated as the US ambassador to Israel. He doesn't even say "settlements". He calls them "communities" and "neighborhoods".

I think we can agree that Netanyahu will play this guy and his boss like a fiddle. I don't think that would happen with Harris.

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He is a Christian Zionist

@palestine @israel "is it relevant" is the tell. If you wanna stop "evil" of course it is.

But honestly I'm not interested in going bacc and forth with people whose politics are informed purely on their gut, and the vibes. Thanks @FearlessJuan for saying what you think at least.

@palestine @israel ...and that's why we can't have anything. Be nice.

Let's be clear. I can understand the frustration of pro-Palestine voters with the Democratic party, they didn't even let pro-Palestine politicians speak at the DNC. However, sending a message by not voting or voting for a 3rd party is essentially giving more chances to the party that ended up winning. With Harris, at least there was a chance of actual pressure exerted on the Israeli government.

You have to be stupid to believe any policy regarding #israel and #palestine will change one iota for the betterment of the latter no matter wtf is 'president' @FearlessJuan @NoFlexZone @faab64 @mondoweiss @palestine @israel

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Let's be nice and have a constructive dialog.

It would have been the case in a Sanders administration. The DNC gave the debate questions beforehand to the Clinton campaign in 2016, if you recall, so the primaries were rigged to begin with. The consensus is that Sanders would have won in 2016 & 2020. We would be in a much different world today. He has been very vocal about an arms embargo.

Bernie sanders couldnt get a dozen votes for any bill he ever proposed Thats his job for the dems. To make it LOOK LIKE someone is a socual justice warrior, but hes a ZIONIST. Now if Rashida Tlaib was president, otoh there's only so much a president can do with EOs, and changing policy towards the genocide isnt one of them, because she'd still only get a handful of votes for her propsals to KKKongress, where the change happens @FearlessJuan @NoFlexZone @faab64 @mondoweiss @palestine @israel