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I don't care that #Biden pardoned his son. Of course he did. Is it wrong? Maybe. Would either side do it?. Yeah, so no one has any room to argue about it.

This is ALWAYS the problem with our system. Neither side has the moral high ground because BOTH sides take donations from special interests and neither side can be trusted to look out for the people.

If Bernie announced he was starting 'The Progress Party' today, the registration numbers would be off the charts. 🇺🇸

#USpol #Progress2028

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Ok but a 3rd party has never won an election because Republicans "get in line" behind a candidate.

#Democrats can't ignore racist voters. You have to fool them enough to get their votes.

#Biden understood this #truth about the #UnitedStates electorate.

It's THE REASON Biden has won the most elections of any candidates in modern #history.
You think Harris lost due to racism and sexism. That's where we diverge. Obama and Hillary both won the popular vote. The problem is our system. The electoral college needs to go and progressive policies are popular on BOTH sides.
The electoral college is not going away.

The only way Democrats win an electoral is in the courts fighting the Gerrymandering in States or by fooling racist white people just enough to win on the margins.

That is the reality of #UnitedStates #Democracy.

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Just more blaming the voters. I can't abide. The Republicans in my family voted for Trump because they want someone who will 'fix' the country and they don't trust Dems to do that. The also don't trust the establishment Republicans and you'll notice most Trump voters see him as an outlaw fighting against the machine that is 'the system' for the good of the people. Wrong on so many levels, but it can't be ignored and the Dems did just that this election cycle.
Then I guess Harris should have done a better job explaining what her goals were on foreign policy. Her stance of 'nothing will change' was a losing strategy.
Forcing Biden to "step aside" was a self inflicted wound brought on by George Clooney, Pelosi and the Elites in the Democratic party.

Biden chose Harris and the racist white voters weren't having that, 80 days before an election.

#Biden got Jimmy Cartered by his own party.
Right down to the #hostages in #Gaza.

Nearly identical to the Summer of 1979'
#Carter
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Well said.

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The truth flows like water.

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Biden wasn't going to win. Everyone could see that, especially after that debate. He should have let the Primary process play out and not stood in the way of that happening. A better candidate (one focused on the people, not the donors) could have beat Trump.

Also, those 'racist' white voters, elected Obama.. so I'm not sure where her race comes in. She was a bad candidate and Biden naming her as successor was dumb.
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No, my eyes and ears told me that. I watched the debate like everyone else did and it was fuckin' train wreck. The media tried to spin it for days, claiming it wasn't as bad as we all saw. It wasn't until he dropped out that they changed their tune.

If you think Biden was gonna win after THAT performance, I got some beach front property in Nebraska I'd like you to buy. 😅
So, just so I have all this clear...

Biden could have won, Harris only lost cause racism and the people who didn't vote are the ones to blame. Got it. All sound logic. 😐
You just said it's not 2008. It's DEFINITELY not 1979. A black woman could have won with a better campaign strategy. She chose to tour with the Cheneys and ignore Bidens failures that led to his massively low approval rating in the first place. She did exactly what Hillary did. She ran on the platform of 'I'm Not Trump' and it failed miserably, just like it did for Hillary. Same shit. People saw that and stayed home. Not racist. Just not convinced.
You think the same people who were planning to vote for Biden decided to vote for Trump instead? They were like, 'one white guy's just as good as the other' ??

The majority of this country either votes on party lines or they don't vote. Anyone who voted Trump was NEVER in a million years considering Biden a viable candidate. They are polar opposites.

One is a career politician with a spotty record and one is a charlatan who claims to be a populist.
That's a small group, but I see why you're biased on this topic now. GA and AZ are swing states, so who fuckin' knows.

Didn't Harris win GA? I know she lost WI (which is WILD). Anyway, the stats don't show Trump picked up Biden voters. Trump got less votes this time than last time. His numbers would have gone up if they were ex-Biden voters that turned the tide.

The numbers show Harris got WAY less votes than Biden did because people stayed home. They weren't convinced.
This is what people miss when they talk about why Harris lost.

You are only one person.

Do not expect everyone to think like you.

If the majority of people see a problem you don't see, maybe re-evaluate instead of assuming everyone else is wrong. If you find yourself thinking' I just don't understand why so many people feel this way.' Try harder.
Keep it simple is my motto.

The truth doesn't ignore facts and data.
Harris was the only candidate who could legally take campaign finances.

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A fair point. #Biden was forced into a corner by his own party then everyone jumped ship all as it was sailing into the Harbor.

This is why I believe Biden got JimmyCartered.
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I haven’t read this entire thread, it just got boosted into my timeline. But clarifications: Harris lost Georgia. Trump flipped 6 states. Counting is almost done, and as of now he has almost 3 million more votes than 2020. I will agree that this election was as much about lack of turnout for the Dems as anything. The why is not completely clear, but racism and misogyny are always at play, as well as voter suppression, and enthusiasm was certainly lacking.

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Yet another fair assessment.

I propose that abandoning the Biden Campaign was the self inflicted wound that depressed turnout on multiple voting blocks.

Now the future of the Democratic party is in the wilderness for many years as it was in 1980.
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Yes, by that point it was too late. Imagine if Biden dropped out a year earlier and we had a real primary election.
We are imagining now?

Let's imagine Biden won in a surprise landslide and all of the coming disaster could have been averted.
Well, the difference is one could have happened if he decided to do it. 🙄
Both possible but we will never know now.