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"Greta Thunberg used to say her goal was to protect the planet from climate change but she now admits it's to overthrow 'the whole capitalist system,' which she says is responsible for 'imperialism, oppression, genocide...racist, oppressive extractionism'."

#ecocide #capitalism #greed

Masha Potempa hat dies geteilt

I love Greta but she is wrong.

The only thing #Capitalism and #Communism share in common? People. Humans. Us.

Blaming capitalism for everything is like blaming the computer. Without an operator, a computer is worthless.
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RememberUsAlways hat dies geteilt

we just need a capitalism with sense we have t. get away from the extreme & fast consumerism. We need products that last long & are sustainable. We need t.ban FastFashion & we have to get Electronics company’s too sell long lasting products even f. consumer grade devices just take Notebooks & Desktops for example the enterprise models made for businesses are way better made and last a lot longer then the ones then t. consumer grade ones
Essentially, we need good people who understand balance and have good intentions.
Even when the rare subject to tame the lion can be identified, they often succumb to the same pitfalls that such responsibility can bring.

@grrlscientist

RememberUsAlways hat dies geteilt

Every single negative aspect that you just described (extreme consumerism, shody products, unregulated companies, planned obsolescence) are all products of capitalism, products of the means of production being privately owned. No, we don't need a "capitalism that makes sense." We need an absence of capitalism and the presence of socialism.
#socialism #communism #capitalism #anarchism
we just needs governments who controll and put in laws and regulations if company’s don’t want do do certain things make them with high fees
You don't understand that the problem lies with capitalism. Capitalism, through its extraction of surplus value from workers to be appropriated by capitalists, leads to the concentration of wealth by capitalists and to wealth inequality, poverty, etc. Capitalism is the problem. We need a socialist system where the means of production are collectively owned by everyone.
#socialism #capitalism #communism #anarchism
It's the innate corruption of power in both systems that leads to the inequality. Unchecked power will always impose itself on any structure, no matter capitalism or communism.

Most modern Democracy demands a balance of both.

So again, it boils down to the people operating the systems rather than the flavor you prescribe.

@Yaminosenshi @grrlscientist
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If you aren't even going to acknowledge the differences between capitalism and socialism (communism) and how the differing way these systems function result in different outcomes, then you aren't going to come to any correct conclusions because you aren't looking at the entire picture. It isn't just the people. 1/2
I understand the desire for a more responsible form of capitalism that prioritizes sustainability and long-lasting products. However, I believe that simply reforming capitalism is not enough to address the deeper issues at play.

While banning fast fashion and pushing for durable electronics are important steps, they do not challenge the fundamental structure of capitalism itself, which is designed to prioritize profit over people and the environment. The focus on consumerism is inherent to capitalism; it thrives on constant consumption and disposability. Even with good intentions, a reformed capitalist system would still operate within a framework that incentivizes exploitation and inequality.

Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a radical shift away from these oppressive structures toward a society where communities have control over their resources and production processes. Instead of relying on corporations to produce sustainable goods, we should empower workers and communities to create products that genuinely meet their needs without compromising quality or ethical standards.

By fostering cooperation and mutual aid, we can build systems that prioritize human well-being and ecological sustainability over profit margins. This means supporting local production, promoting repairable goods, and encouraging practices that value longevity rather than disposability.

In essence, while I appreciate the call for more sustainable practices within capitalism, true change requires us to rethink and dismantle the capitalist framework altogether. We need to envision a society where people are not just consumers but active participants in shaping their economies in ways that serve everyone equitably.
the problem is do you think everyone would participate ? Humans are egoistical creatures at the core
Not everyone needs to participate fully for change to happen. History shows that collective systems can succeed when enough people cooperate, even if some act in their own self-interest.
not of enough people want hyper consumerism they will demonstrate for thier right to buy crap and trow it away
While many people may still support hyper-consumerism, there’s a growing movement in Europe where labor unions are stepping up to promote sustainable practices.

Unions are working to improve working conditions and advocate for ethical production methods. They emphasize that workers deserve fair wages and safe environments, and they are increasingly calling for industries to adopt environmentally friendly practices. For example, unions in the fashion and electronics sectors are pushing back against wasteful practices and demanding products that last longer.

These efforts show that when workers come together, they can challenge the culture of mindless consumption and fight for a system that values people and the planet over profit. This gives the promise that real change is possible when communities unite for a common cause.
Unions in the US were enhanced under the Biden administration.

It is a way Capitalism has been "managed" by the US workforce historically, but Corporate remains focused on profits by artificially inflating stock value though corporate stock buyback.

@Yaminosenshi @grrlscientist
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furthermore we need more regulations for any company. We need to go back to the time where washing mashines lasted 20 years and we need to convince people that they don’t need constantly new clothes just to be worth something. Unfortunately I think that will be hard to archive many people are so much on the hyper consumerism line it’s hard to get them out but the media is to blame too they shove this in our face for decades now
One thing capitalism and communism have in common is people. So what? These two systems have so many differences that you've just ignored, instead hyper focusing on the one similarity they have in common and putting all the blame on that one similarity without doing any kind of analysis of the two systems.
Capitalism is a device to give wealth to people other than monarchs and landowners. It's flaw is that to be sustainable the economy has to grow continuously. So we have to consume more and more (things we do not need) to stop the economy collapsing. Everything is made from raw materials from the earth, created through the burning of fossil fuels. Now everything is dying. Without capitalism we wouldn't be in this mess. Look at undeveloped parts of the world.
nah. that's not how it works, you got it backwards. it is capital that operates humans. in capitalism, capital reigns supreme, the prime directive of the social order is to increase profit. capital subjects humans, compels the great majority to sell their labor - their lives - in order to survive. it even compels rich people, company owners and directors - they have to make the line go up, or they end up replaced by someone who does.
actually, they also share vertical authoritarian systems of law. Also you seem to be very conveniently ignoring the horrors US Capitalism inflicted in “developing countries” like mine.
I recommend a couple of books to restore a bit of your faith in people and hopefully erode a your trust in failed systems: paradise built in hell, by solnit and the dawn of everything by Graeber and Wengrow. The problem is not natural, it’s systemic
The US is actually quite new to world affairs. My apologies to you and your nation for any perceived slight you have.

The United States simply perfected 3000 years of capitalism and warfare. We didn't invent these concepts.
@grrlscientist
again wrong, capitalism is just under 300 years old, as before we had mercantilism and before that we had feudalism. Also: financing paramilitaries, celebrating the killing of labor strikers and meddling in national affairs are not “perceived slights”, you appointed yourselves global policemen and execute a fair amount of police brutality.
The United States also created the UN and is the largest donor to humanitarian causes of any nation.

I'd like to remind you that land ownership does not exist in communism as all land ownership is controlled by the Politburo and politics.

As a land owner of multiple properties, I reject any Government claims on my real estate.

#Realestate , that tricky pride of the middle class creating capitalism from feudalism.

@grrlscientist
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RememberUsAlways hat dies geteilt

I don’t do communism, and the way the Soviet Union does communism is not the only way to do it even if I believed in authoritarian, political schemes… there are letters from Marx telling early russian revolutionaries that they belonged to the “asiatic ways of production” and therefore the revolutionary processes he described did not apply to them… But again, Marx only did a great description of the rise of capitalism in XIX England
that doesn’t make him a saint, or all knowing, he was actually kind of racist, and an absolute meangirl.

Look, you’re not responsible for your country’s war crimes, but please look at your history clearly, especially now it’s becoming quite clear that you are not the good guys, that authoritarian republicanism is not the way, that capitalism is just a tool to exert power and maintain hegemony over other people
also, let’s talk about the UN: you’re not even full signatories for the letter of human rights, the founding charter of the UN, because you wanted to be able to keep killing your own people, the creation of the UN is part of this American impulse to believe they should get to dictate and organize the world, and even then, somehow be separate from it.
@Mushi@col.social

Again, it's obvious you hate Americans and the USA.

We've established that. You are not alone.

Unfortunately, you are as helpless to do anything about it but raise your perceived slights to the void.

We'll still be here next year and you'll hate us even more. After Trump is gone, you can take your hate with you until you are old

Pass it on.

@grrlscientist
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RememberUsAlways hat dies geteilt

I appreciate your admiration for Greta Thunberg, but I must disagree with your perspective. Blaming capitalism for societal issues is not misplaced; in fact, it’s essential to recognize the systemic flaws within capitalism itself.

While it’s true that people operate within these systems, capitalism inherently prioritizes profit over people and the environment. This structure leads to exploitation, inequality, and environmental degradation. It’s not just about individual actions; it's about a system that incentivizes harmful practices.

Greta’s call for systemic change reflects a growing understanding that we cannot rely on capitalism to solve the crises it has created. The urgency of climate change and social injustice demands more than personal responsibility; it requires collective action against an oppressive system.

We need to advocate for a society where communities have control over their resources and decision-making processes. This means dismantling hierarchies that concentrate power and wealth in the hands of a few. By fostering cooperation and mutual aid, we can create a system that prioritizes human needs and ecological sustainability.

In short, it’s not merely about who operates the system; it’s about fundamentally changing the system itself to ensure it serves everyone equitably. True liberation requires us to challenge the foundations of capitalism rather than simply adjusting how individuals function within it.
To me, what you are describing at the core is qualities in people rather than results of the benefits for individuals.

I own land. I can't do that in a communism structure. Look to China and Russia for that primary flaw in their version of economic priorities.

Capitalism developed from Feudalism explaining why real estate law has changed litte in over 300 years.

@grrlscientist
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While I understand your points about land ownership and historical context, it's important to recognize that capitalism's structure inherently leads to inequality and environmental degradation.

The flaws in communist systems don't justify the harms caused by capitalism. We need to focus on creating equitable systems that empower communities and prioritize sustainability over profit.

True progress requires us to rethink ownership and resource management in ways that serve everyone, not just a privileged few.
You'll never sell that concept to anyone holding title or deed.

I challenge you to offer your property your local town or government.

@grrlscientist
I understand your skepticism, but the goal isn't to convince every individual landowner to give up their property.

It's about envisioning a system where communities collectively manage resources for the common good, rather than allowing wealth to concentrate in the hands of a few.

Again, true liberation comes from shared ownership and cooperation, not from defending a system that perpetuates inequality.
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I understand I can't own title and deed to my property in a Communist structure.

That is for certain.

@grrlscientist
communism? where does she mention communism??
Yes, she's absolutely right. That would be a radical solution, but there's probably no other way.