I think these sorts of viewpoints are extremely important to understand. A huge demographic detail imo underlying Trump's win is the growing political presence of children of undocumented Mexican immigrants with the right to vote.

Obvs we've had significant undocumented Hispanic immigration for several decades but those early undocumented generations can't vote. We didn't truly see their political positions until they had kids who can now vote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

Can't find the exact clip but a few months before the election I saw Aida Rodriguez doing a standup routine talking about racism among Central Americans. Was basically the same joke as below but with a punchline of "so don't be surprised when we all vote for Trump and get each other deported."

But I hadn't actually stopped to look at the data, that's exactly what happened 😭

It's one thing to sit out voting for Biden, but voting FOR Trump is sad af.

https://youtube.com/@aidarodriguez

#AidaRodriguez

I've been reluctantly giving the Harris team's post mortem convos a listen and this feels like one of many blind spots in their thinking.

No race, especially broad groupings like "Hispanics", is a monolith.

"all skin folks ain't kin folks"

I'm just not hearing a true understanding of US demographic shifts from the KHive. Nor the difference between Hispanic communities. It's crucial to understand bc our electoral system amplifies the divisions among Hispanics.

https://partyon.xyz/@nullagent/113557343240701458

It's simply not enough for Democrats to run on the boogyman that Trump is racist against immigrants when there is this degree of racism and colorism in those same immigrant communities.

An immigrant from 30yrs ago and an immigrant from today from a totally different country of origin frequently have differing or even competing policy goals.

The Dems must speak on policy and not identity alone.

I can also see how the Dems have survived so long on identity politics. Black Americans are -almost- in voting terms at least a monolith, we got 45M voters and we're historically satisfied with a politician who practices the minimum of anti-racism in public.

They murdered all our lions who demanded real policy and we somehow forgot that we actually need policies and not lip service alone.

The Dems subdued us. Now they are caught off guard by ~8M voters who won't blindly follow them.

Subduing Black voters in this way was very easy with an openly racist Republican party as the alternative.

Black Americans really only have classim as an internal division which imo doesn't show up much in electoral politics.

We tend to be welcoming of other Africans regardless of nation of origin, and at a minimum there's not really been significant opposition to policy goals of African immigrants from American descendants of slavery though our cultural differences can be vast.

On the ground life is different though.

I've seen first hand that rainbow coalitions are alive, our local asylum seekers in the PNW frequently are forced to work together to survive. It's a terrible and complex situation. Many spend months or years homeless before their asylum hearings prior to getting governmental support.

One local group of French speaking Angolans and Spanish speaking Hispanics refuses to be separated. They work together to ensure both communities get fair treatment.