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PSA: please recommend newcomers to use chatmail servers instead of suggesting they start first with an existing classic e-mail address.

#Chatmail servers provide a dependable, fast and secure messaging experience, with instant push notifications for Google and Apple phones. No personal data needed. Delta Chat profiles with chatmail servers come closest to mainstream messaging experiences and typically "just work" also in many repressive situations with bad internet or partial blockings.
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Kinetix
I find it a little disconcerting that you're now actively trying to push people away from the one thing that made Delta an intriguing proposition in the first place - it's ability to do IM over existing email accounts. For self hosters like myself, this was a great selling point for not having yet-another-thing-I-need-to-maintain.

But now you're actively messaging that people should poo-pooh the idea after already making one's own secure email infrastructure a second class citizen in the app.

It sounds like you're heading down the road of making it impossible to use standard email servers at all (why support 'em if you have reasons to demote them and poo-pooh them?), and then what's the advantage of Delta over signal, matrix or xmpp?

This seems really short sighted, even though you're obviously very excited about what you've done with chatmail.
Delta Chat
It's totally fine to go with self-hosting but >99.99% percent of potential users are not running their own e-mail servers and it doesn't make sense to recommend it as the sellling-point then generally? Also, Delta Chat has multi-profile support. There is nothing speaking against first trying things with friends with default profiles, and if you like it use self-hosted addresses. Some first users evolved to run their own #chatmail server and migrated there.
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Travis F W
do chatmail servers sound like a competing but compatible software to other email servers, right? Like, can I still get email from chatmail with Thunderbird?
It makes sense to me, if you're introducing an alternative to Thunderbird to pair it with an optional alternative to the server as well. I get that there is some awkwardness despite compatibility, like how on Mastodon, posts from Bookwyrm or blogs look a bit differently. This is the new problem, and I am glad to see it.
Delta Chat
#chatmail servers are fully interoperate with classic e-mail servers. But end-to-end OpenPGP encryption is required (#autocrypt or #securejoin) and not all e-mail apps manage it in the automatic way that Delta Chat does it. Chatmail servers are minimal Postfix/Dovecot setups, fully FOSS, and anyone can run an chatmail server instance permission free without telling us.
#chatmail #autocrypt #securejoin
Bill Seitz
99.9% of user's family/friends will not want to create a new account and learn/use another piece of software, at least not to get started.
You can repeat the "Sent with Hotmail" viral process.
Sounds like you should grease 2 transitions, to chatserver account, and to DeltaChat client. And you should support them in any order, as well as never doing either.
(You can ignore me, I'm not even a real user at the moment....)
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Delta Chat
we understand the sentiment and reluctance of "creating yet another account". Everybody is tired of signing up somewhere. But since chatmail servers and instant onboarding was introduced some 9 months ago, usage strongly increased and there are now at least a dozen independent #chatmail servers with many more we don't know. Did you try it? There is no "heavyness" of registration typically associated with "signing up". Chatmail addresses make e-mail cheap again! :)
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Delta Chat
also, we have no intention of ceasing to support classic e-mail servers. The team went through *lots of efforts* to add support for many classic e-mail providers many of which users in Europe and the US have never heart off. But we are not interested in doing excessive work for making it seemless to use eg GMail, Outlook or iCloud mail -- as we would be furthering their platform and central controls in the e-mail system. #chatmail servers allow for a much better experience.
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matiu bidule
I'm enthusiastic Delta Chat user shamelessly promote it at every opportunity (https://mamot.fr/@matiu_bidule/113867998173062832).
Chatmail servers are great, but you lose the number-one selling point, which is decentralization. You'd need to promote the creation of hundreds and hundreds of chatmail servers to compete with existing mail providers.
Not to mention the “yet another account to create” syndrome who hit really bad those days. I have no solution but this battle is harsh, and i love your work

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Paul Bernhardt
Is that mostly for ease of setup or are there other benefits? Let's say I am a technical user with my own domain, with mail currently being provided by a paid for service like Fastmail. Am I missing out by using my existing domain? It feels like a big advantage of Delta Chat over something like Signal is more sovereignty, and picking an existing server would cost some of that.
Delta Chat
@PBernhardt "default onboarding" is about postponing the server-question until testing leads to established interest. There are many classic e-mail servers that work fine and without issues. But if five people with different e-mail addresses want to try things out, there is a good chance at least one users fails to setup their existing address ("i don't know my password", "provider requires special procedures", "i have special server-side rules" etc.). Also, classic servers lack notifications.
Delta Chat
for fastmail also see https://providers.delta.chat/fastmail -- but if you use Delta Chat with it and join chat groups, make sure you leave them before you stop using Delta Chat. If you have any further questions please consult with the support forum https://support.delta.chat

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