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Organizational note: It might appear that #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc contributors are easily "on the same page". In fact, there are many ongoing controversial discussions in backrooms and public spaces. We are dealing with tons of user perspectives and feedback, researcher and developer stances, many UX/UI considerations, complex implementation and platform adaptation. We are internally allowing contradictions and complexity ... See also Ashby's requisite variety https://edgeofpossible.com/ashbys-law-variety-organisational-change/

christopher :rebel: 38C3 2 Tage her •

can you clearly publish the topics at hand and RFC?

Delta Chat 2 Tage her •

frankly, trying to give a comprehensive overview would be phd-level research and writing work. Two STS researchers are taking notes btw, @Xeniax and @zelf ... Our major town squares are git-issue/pr's , support forum threads, and a multitude of chats which are semi open. We are generally only half transparent as some of the contributors are affected by repression in its multitude of forms, and many of our users/feedback groups deal with existential threats.

@zelf @xeniax ⏚

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Delta Chat 2 Tage her •

the other reason for not formalizing procedures completely is that the requisite parts are still evolving. #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc efforts each have their own dynamics, and the particular dynamics have particular sub dznamics and all the borders are constantly shifting, renegotiated.

Sorry if this makes getting an overview from the outside harder. We do try to constantly publish about our considerations and all coding work happens in public.

#chatmail #deltachat #Webxdc

Delta Chat 2 Tage her •

for example there is a artifact of current discussion, codenamed "Internet Mail 2000", that involves decades of e-mail innovation attempts -- which we consider ourselves dowwnstream of, are taking up: https://github.com/chatmail/relay/issues/487

It's not an RFC/proposal but some people are gearing up for making a push to progress on the issue when stars sufficiently align. Note that we currently are operating without much funding, after a major OTF contract broke away.

Internet Mail 2000 · Issue #487 · chatmail/relay

We want to be able to accept mails from .onion domain. We cannot have DKIM authentication as there is no support for DNS (see https://forum.torproject.org/t/mock-dns-records-for-onion-services/4671...

^GitHub

Thorsten Behrens 2 Tage her •

thx for a very apropos take on something important! || @webmink for your next subtoot ;)

@webmink

Delta Chat 2 Tage her •

@webmink @Xeniax @zelf K, what to talk about next? Maybe the foundational and still very worthwhile happenings and "cybernetic" discussions around Heinz von Foersters Biological Computer Lab (BCL)?
Ashby's law was mentioned further up. Bruen's work on Anti-communication is great (e.g. https://www.rossfeller.com/assets/docs/Bruns_Anticommunication.280104157.pdf ), along with its anarchic takes and discussion of self-organizing systems.
Not everybody but quite a few in our communities are familiar and taking up such prior work and insights.

@zelf @xeniax ⏚ @webmink

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