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The downside of our project approach was that we often got experts being very dismissive on re-using email and #OpenPGP ... and there still is some opposition which often subsides when actually trying #deltachat and #chatmail, looking at security audits and our strong usable security focus.

There may also be surprising upsides. The UK "Online Safety Bill" which attacks end-to-end encryption integrity seems to not apply for ... e-mail. Because everyone knows, e-mail is unencrypted, right? :)
screenshot of page 7 of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/50/enacted CHAPTER 7Interpretation of Part 3 55“Regulated user-generated content”, “user-generated content”, “news publisher content” (1)This section applies for the purposes of this Part. (2)“Regulated user-generated content”, in relation to a regulated user-to-user service, means user-generated content, except— (a)emails, (b)SMS messages, (c)MMS messages, (d)one-to-one live aural communications (see subsection (5)), (e)comments and reviews on provider content (see subsection (6)), (f)identifying content that accompanies content within any of paragraphs (a) to (e), and (g)news publisher content (see subsection (8)).
#openpgp #chatmail #deltachat
Tülsa
openpgp has always been my go to. 👍🏾
Mikalai
And looking back, I want to again highlight that you have a decoupling of chat concepts - rooms, reactions, threads (?) - from transport protocol.
Do you need to change servers, when you add a-feature? Do matrix guys have to?
If you recall "slow development always with federation" argument from "Ecosystem is moving" decade old blog, you have an architecture showing incorrectness of that hypothesis.
Kudos to you guys.
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Delta Chat
good point! The first years we had to make do with classic email servers. We barely expected anything else than "send message" and "receive message" to work. There was no way to get big email providers to change anything. When we then went for the #chatmail concept it meant the server doesn't need to do anything than to transport the message. No metadata, no rooms, no group state that most other messengers keep on their servers. Crossing out server state makes #deltachat p2p-ish

Delta Chat hat dies geteilt

Adnan 🦙
Maybe don't bring attention to that fact the Bill doesn't apply to email! 🙄
Delta Chat
they have reasons why they took out email. Also everyone better help to fight any and all attempts to break end-to-end encryption. It's of paramount importance for privacy and security, especially in the current darkening times.
Bernard Quatermass
muhahaha https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-nurpmeso-smtp-tls-srv-05.html

Secure SMTP/TLS SRV Announcement

This specification defines a DNS (RFC 1035) SRV (RFC 2782) record that announces TLS (RFC 9325) secured SMTP (RFC 5321, RFC 3207), optionally including Implicit TLS.
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