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We are not aware of other FOSS development teams that have as extensive knowledge, both theoretical and practical, about #email and #openpgp and regularly release across all platforms for users world wide ... except for #protonmail with whose technical and security experts we discuss regularly. They are the other major game in town doing pervasive email encryption after all. Did you know that Proton's and delta's VCards are compatible across ecosystems and establish immediate encryption?
#ProtonMail #openpgp #email
Michiel Zandbelt ⚕️
what about @Tutanota ?
@Tuta
Delta Chat
they have their own crypto schemes and are not interoperable, unfortunately. Some of us visited them personally in Hannover several years ago but while nice to hang out with they never engaged in interoperability or other joint efforts.
Michiel Zandbelt ⚕️
thanks for your reply (personally I use both Proton and Tuta by the way)
Tuta
That's true, we've focused on implementing quantum-safe encryption first. But I'll bring this up again for the future as interoperability would be amazing!
Hristo Hristov
I am pleasantly surprised @delta. The platform is great and a pleasure to use. I am also gradually transferring contacts to the platform. I use @Tutanota for business communications or in banking.
@Tuta @Delta Chat
ity
Portability ? I thought that DC didn't have portability as a concern given the design of WebXDC
Delta Chat
what do you mean with "portability"? The word doesn't appear in our post.
ity
"release across all platforms", apologies, I am eepi
Delta Chat
#webxdc is a shared spec and joint impelemntation with eg #cheogram and #monocles ... It has nothing to do with proton. Webxdc apps are shared in a chat and run inside the messenger. Proton does not have a messenger. Webxdc apps work on all platforms that #webxdc messengers are released for, including @deltatouch , an Ubuntu based phone. DeltaTouch runs all webxdc apps including the realtime p2p ones. @lk108 is doing an incredible job :)
#Webxdc #cheogram #monocles @Lothar @DeltaTouch
Lothar
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@ity @deltatouch
@DeltaTouch @ity
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ity
WebXDC apps work on only a few of the platforms I care about, I'd be careful about stating it runs on all platforms.

It's why I avoided really working with WebXDC, it can't (not properly) even run on the platform I need it to run on.

Ubuntu Touch is not a hard platform to target relatively speaking. Ofc UI work is hard, and there's specific challenges with mainline phones, but it is by no means an exotic platform. It's just Linux.

Not to discredit anyone's work here.
Delta Chat
on which of your platforms does none of the clients listed here work if we may ask? https://support.delta.chat/t/list-of-all-known-client-projects/3059

List of all known Client Projects

Official These are the officially endorsed clients. These clients are the most “complete” in terms of functionality. Except for deltatouch all of them are maintained and published by merlinux.
Delta.Chat
ity
web, various embedded systems, hobby OSes

Implementing WebXDC is too much work, and gonna be very slow even if done, on those platforms

It's a highly non-portable spec.
Delta Chat
we have no shortage of specialists telling us that what we are doing can not work, makes no sense, etc. Thing is: when it's about doing something that has been done before, then by all means listen to the experts. But if engaging into something new that hasn't been done before, then beware of experts. They are only going to tell you why it doesn't work. Original source for this advise is Heinz v. Foerster, one of the more interesting cyberneticians half a century ago.
ity
It's not about whether it can work or not

It can work. But you are making the lives of those that wish to impl the spec (like me) needlessly difficult. It's not a portable specification that supports "all platforms".

Folks ported DOOM onto a pregnancy tester.
Bhante Subharo
so does Proton support full autocrypt? What's the difference between Vcard and autocrypt? You said Delta and Proton establish encryption with each other.
Delta Chat
longer story. Here we just talked about compatibility of VCards, not Autocrypt. We'll probably talk more about this in spring.
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