In a complete reversal of National alliance and economic dogma, #Trump and #Republicans behavior appears to be now fully aligned with #Russia and #China.
If #Democrats fail to rebalance the US government in #election2026 then US Democracy is forever changed into a corporate oligarchy.
The remaining nations not aligned to Russia and China should join forces, make stronger alliances without the US to defend against the rise of the #Communist nations.
#2026election
#premarket
#investing
If #Democrats fail to rebalance the US government in #election2026 then US Democracy is forever changed into a corporate oligarchy.
The remaining nations not aligned to Russia and China should join forces, make stronger alliances without the US to defend against the rise of the #Communist nations.
#2026election
#premarket
#investing
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Also, North Korea is not a communist nation. It’s a dictatorship half-heartedly pretending to masquerade as a communist nation.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that Trump is aligning us with dictators who have been out to destroy most of the western world for decades. But you are very incorrectly assigning the label of communists to these nations.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_states
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
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Or you can just walk away.
Your choice of fool.
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Just based on the last link YOU shared, and your admission that Russia hasn't been a communist nation in over 30 years, Russia is not a communist nation. So, we can eliminate that from your original statement. The US is not, and under the current administration, will never be a communist nation. In your own words you said Democracy will forever be changed into a corporate oligarchy. There is nothing communist about corporate oligarchies. This eliminates 2/3rds of the nations you referenced specifically in your original "defend against communist nations" statement.
Again, from this most recent link, China is listed as Socialist with Chinese characteristics, hence, not communist. Land may not be able to be held as private property, but the means of production created on that land are not owned communally, based on the description YOU have provided and based on the realities of corporations being able to own said means of production. Does China get closer to communism than most of these other countries, including ones you've listed? Absolutely. But to call China a communist nation is misleading at best.
Leaving out nuance when discussing complex topics and using the "everything I don't like is communism" argument is disingenuous, and, as I've previously stated, weak.
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Russia stopped being a state capitalist nation when the USSR collapsed. US neoliberals oversaw the sale of state enterprises, and of course, in such a way to guarantee oligarchy rather than a market economy.
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I think it's funny how accounts on #mastodon like to argue with published references.
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EG “capitalists” from Silicon Valley denounce competition as they denounce democracy. Economic consolidation in the US has extinguished market dynamics in multiple sectors. Sprawling companies like Amazon are centralized command in control economic entity.
* contrast capitalism by IMF
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2015/06/basics.htm
What Is Capitalism? - Back to Basics - Finance & Development, June 2015
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How are societies actually structured? How do they actually operate? These are the questions the field of anthropology ask because that field is quite aware of the distinction between what people say about themselves and what they actually do.
I prefer not to be a credulous schmuck.
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Ellman, Michael (2014). Socialist Planning (3rd ed.). Cambridge University Press.
Evans, Daniel (1993). Soviet Marxism–Leninism: The Decline of an Ideology.
Feldbrugge, F. J. M. (1985). "Council of Ministers". In Feldbrugge, F. J. M.; Van den Berg, G. P.; Simons, William B. (eds.).
Furtak, Robert K. (1987). The Political Systems of the Socialist States. New York City: St. Martin's Press.
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Credulous are people who can't take a reasonable position based on published references.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext
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A drunk uses a lamp post, as support rather than for illumination
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Yet not everyone is a published reference
Again, you're not arguing with me here as much as you would like to.
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When random accounts claim they are the experts on bias as they dismiss a century of publishing they never took the time to READ.
#fediverse
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GTFOH with your high-horse bullshit. You didn't even read the Wikipedia article you linked.
If you had, you'd have seen this:
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You are asserting received wisdom based on either on a limited bibliography either read or unread by yourself.
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Come back when you are used as a reference or have a valid argument.
CHINA and RUSSIA have been communist for longer than you both have been alive.
I promise lol 😜
Good fucking day. Go read some history books.
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Even YOU said Russia isn't a communist nation any more. Remember where you said this?
If you weren't making up things on the fly and failing to insult people, you'd have an easier time remembering what it was you said.
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Perhaps but I'm not so full of myself to dispute published references while I opine on zero facts in a thread I attempted to hijack with no reference.
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Your original point that the US is pivoting away from its allies is 100% valid, as I've stated previously. But your stance that the US is aligning itself with communist nations is 100% false.
Also, the very first reference on the Wikipedia link you shared was a link to the CIA World Factbook, further reinforcing my point that you subscribe a CIA-defined, US-centered view of the world and communism.
Just admit that you misused or don't fully understand communism. There's no shame in admitting you were wrong. There is shame in continuing to argue points that you, yourself, have mostly disproven.
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You can argue with Wikipedia all day for the entertainment of everyone reading your unreferenced nonsense.
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Just because there is a source citation does not make it a credible source.
Still weak.
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Have a great day in ignorance land!
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You're making an argument in bad faith and you're being called on it.
Do better.
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You are just embarrassed you don't understand who is and has been communist.
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And I am talking about modes of behavior, modes of social structure.
What is communism as a mode of social structure?
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They are a tiny corner of the breath of topics I’ve read in my lifetime.
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Oh sorry. That was never you.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext
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How embarrassing.
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That was both your objections to my toot.
Good thing I use references that you then disputed.
Who are the fools here?
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Now, answer this: WHO disputed that?
Oh, right. You too.
Fucking arguing with yourself over here. Jesus.
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You don't seem to understand that.
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"Russia has moved from Communism in the late 90s"
You didn't say "Russia is now a Communist dictatorship."
No one defines Russia today as a communist nation. Not even the Wikipedia article you linked and keep referencing calls it a communist nation today.
Just admit that you misspoke. Or walk away.
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In a centralized command and control entity, a few dictate what to produce, how much to produce when to produce it and under what conditions that production is done.
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Tell me your understanding of communism is based on decades of CIA programming without telling me.
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I’ll agree with that. In the military context from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.
Veterans enjoy Universal Healthcare, And free education. If they are fed by a commissary they are also receiving free food. They don’t have to pay for their equipment in other words, most of their clothing and almost all their material needs are provided for them.
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No major decisions in most groups are made without significant consultation and debate. Individuals might defer to their mothers or fathers or bosses their teachers and respect authority, but in general, they are very consensus driven.
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"Communism in its modern form grew out of the socialist movement in 18th-century France, in the aftermath of the French Revolution. During the upheaval, communism emerged as a political doctrine with the writings of François-Noël Babeuf, Nicolas Restif de la Bretonne, and Sylvain Maréchal, all of whom can be considered the progenitors of modern communism, according to James H. Billington."
@histodons
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No one needed that history lesson or to tag in a group of people who have nothing to do with this discussion.
Explain how this proves your original point that Russia and China are communist nations TODAY.
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That only describes historical evolution. It says nothing about how they function, how people operate in them.
And by the way, completely ignores the diversity of institutions their functional and dysfunctional behaviors.
Each nation has its own unique history and its own unique institutions for better or worse.
Monolithic descriptions of society is an absurdity on its face.
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Yet this discussion demonstrates that you were absolutely wrong in that and that I think if you were somebody brought up with good religious upbringing that taught you morals, things like the 10 Commandments, the injunction against false witness, which I think you have engaged in here, you would at least show some contrition and apologize
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Hold up.
You came into my thread. You continue to dispute the label of Communist for Russia and China in the face of facts.
I've been more than willing to engage with you but it's you who are wrong.
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You will not find me compliant with your authoritarian fiat.
Have a good day
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Take care. Let me know when you are a published reference on Wikipedia.
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Emotionally manipulative fallacious arguments piss people off
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In China, the state owns all land, but individuals and companies can obtain rights to use the land for a fee. Individuals can also own homes and apartments on the land. No matter how you describe it, China is on par with Cuba and North Korea in Communism. The state owns the land and picks the corporate enterprise needed to achieve state goals.
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Thanks for proving my point. Have the day you deserve.
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Ever.
Capitalism evolved from feudalism and you dim wits don't read history.
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Ever. "
Thanks for also proving you don't understand the difference between private property and personal property.
"Capitalism evolved from feudalism and you dim wits don't read history."
Who said otherwise? No one mentioned feudalism nor is anyone debating the evolution of capitalism.
But, I guess you made some point there. Good job! Gold star for you!
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If you don’t pay taxes, they can place a lien on your property or confiscate it. Or they can declare eminent domain and take your property with some compensation.
Property is regularly seized by police.
Corporations are notorious for coercing land from their owners.
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Breaking laws can have consequences.
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Good. You're making progress.
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As I keep saying. Weak.
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Communist China.
Communist Russia.
These are "dumb things" people say in your world.
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Glad we could find common ground.
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Go boil an egg you troll
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You can't even keep up with your OWN statements in this discussion but you're trying to twist everything I've said based on one comment. That's adorable.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_China
The most frequently quoted definition of communism is the state owning the means of production (private property).
Personal property is distinct from private property.
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For instance, there are any number of mainstream economic books/papers that have been absolutely destroyed mathematically. None of their work holds up to mathematical scrutiny.
You and I work with different criteria I work with observation and where applicable mathematical rigor. And I see no evidence of you sharing those criteria
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Let me when your opinions are published as reference.
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Keep digging in deeper, it's totally making your point more valid.
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You both simply can't deal with facts.
Russia and China are both communist nations and without shame in that label.
Always have been.
But keep arguing with a century of publishing.
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"But keep arguing with a century of publishing."
Because nothing changes over the course of 100 years, right? Nixon didn't open trade relations with China which brought their economy from one much closer to actual communism to the socialist capitalist state run by a misnamed group of party elites that it is today.
Your entire argument makes no sense and throwing a Wikipedia article's list of references (an article you obviously didn't read) into the discussion as if you're citing FACTS from those articles/books/studies is further proof that your cognitive dissonance has replaced any point of trying to show you how bias and feelings have clouded your understanding of what's actually going on here.
COMMUNISM BAD AND EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS COMMUNISM.
Weak.
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My opinions are based on history. What are your opinions based on?
What you read online?
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How pathetic.
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Point invalidated.