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Hello Masto #Gardeners - so I'd welcome comments, suggestions, advice.

I'm going to put a metal-frame pergola up length of the garden and plant fruit trees along it. Something like this: https://www.agriframes.co.uk/collections/pergolas/products/round-pergola

Mayb 1.8 wide and I think it's about 10 m long. It's a big investment and project.

I'm now wondering what to plant along it. I'd like it to be fruit. which means something over 20 trees are reasonable.

So: are multi species graft trees any good? Any advice at all here?

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Only very generally:
get trees that respond well to being espaliered
there will be a slight difference as no wall to give wind shelter or warmth
Self-pollinating or you can pair trees that can pollinate each other
If you want to mix nice climbing plants that flower at different times to the fruits, give the fruit trees a year or two head start before adding the not-too-rampant climbers.
Multi species graft trees need to be very well balanced, and a lot aren’t. You also need to be aware if pollination partners if there aren’t a lot of other fruit trees about. The main thing for trained trees is where they fruit - training involves shortening branches, so if the fruit forms at the tips of the branches you won’t ever get any because you’re always pruning though off.

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yes - I’m sort of aware of these points but don’t know how to navigate: ie if a decent supplier has multi grafts one should be able to assume they know what they’re doing. But can you?

The tip pruning - presumably thinking about what gets pruned each year is the answer? Ie not everything every year?

I’m planning to plant 20+ and I’ve got some already so hoping the pollination will be ok…
Personally I would avoid anything with really vigerous types grafted on (Bramley for example), but tbh if you’re getting that many I don’t think you really need to get family trees!
I’ve always found Adams Apples (https://www.adamsappletrees.co.uk) to be very helpful if you need advice.

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I did wonder if vigour needed to be matched. Could imagine a pretty lopsided tree otherwise even with robust pruning… I will get a Bramley. We’ve got a local variety cooker - Gros France - which is fabulous and keeps its shape in cooking but a Bramley is always welcome…
Getting so many means you’ll have a lot of choice - you shouldn’t have problems with pollination (some, like Bramley, need two pollination partners, but don’t polliant anything else - so aren’t a good choice for small gardens).

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that’s interesting about the Bramley: didn’t know that!
what difficulties have you had with multi grafts btw? Interested to hear #gardening
thank you. Well the pergola is with a mind to aesthetics but in a small garden then usefulness is important: so yes food. I have the design skill of a long dead cow so it’s never going to look show standard. But I’m not too bothered by that
I've had repeated dissapointing results from multi-grafted fruit trees.
You may have better luck.

I'd personally suggest trees grown on a decent dwarfing root stock from a reputable supplier (my allotment 'orchard' came from orangepippin.com if you're in the UK)

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I’ve got 3 vines in for now but I did wonder about another one maybe. Monty said this year to remove 2/3rds of the immature fruit to get a decent crop so I will be trying that…
that’s fantastic!!! It must look extraordinary???
I was thinking about Kiwi or Kiwi berry (the latter ones are more suitable for colder environments afaik, I once saw someone growing a stunning amount of them in northern germany)
They could really like the microclimate of the pergola I think.
Edit to say: cool Project btw! I would love to follow it along under the #Gardening
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that’s a great shout. I’ve got some kiwi vines which grew well in 2024, their 2nd year. Could definitely add another. But no flowers yet… need make and female to fruit and I don’t know what I’ve got. I’d like a passion fruit too but the snails eat everyone I get to germinate.
Passion fruit sounds really cool, too!
My mother has a kinda huge one, but she always takes it inside in late fall.
Last year it grew some real fruit, sadly all of them were empty.

Regarding the Kiwis, she got the same Problem, too.
But I was allowed to take cuttings from the Kiwiberry, I hope they will grow well this year and maybe even fruit for the first time.

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so I had a monster passion flower but it wasn’t the Edulis which produces the edible fruit sadly. I’m going to try again: not something to give up on!
@JimmyB
You can grow proper kiwis in the Netherlands at least, I have grown buckets of them. It can take years for the plants to start fruiting though.

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I’m pretty sure others grow kiwis in #Jersey so I’m hopeful mine will get there in due course

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I’ll try to document the project as I go: good shout! Step 1: I’m working overseas so I’ve asked the missus to get me a measurement so I can talk to the frame company tomorrow and see if they will ship to #Jersey

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Like another comment I wondered about grapes. But possibly the severe pruning would get tricky if the goal is to cover the pergola?

I've seen mixed reviews on multi-graft fruit trees, with stories of poor survival of some grafts long term and low productivity. That being said, I have personally grafted multiple varieties on established apple trees and they are seem good. I do have many pollinators trees and have only worked with apples (imo the most forgiving fruit tree type).

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My current place had a single espaliered apple tree (Gravenstein) and I found it difficult to work with and unproductive. Hmm, maybe columnar apples/other could work?

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I’ve got one very unproductive apple which is on its last chance this year!
This might be too much of a rabbit hole, but when I am looking for a useful or edible plant for a particular spot, I always check Plants For A Future. The website lets you filter by a bunch of criteria (edibility, hardiness, habit, etc). Sometimes seeing a big list prompts a new idea.

https://pfaf.org/user/

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Deeply consider overall height both of the pergola and of the trees. I see so many archways etc, where people didn't consider space for the plants and clearance for walking at full height. You need at least 2 ft of clearance above a person's head. Aim for semi-dwarf and dwarf rootstock on any fruit trees you might plant. Hope that helps. Specific trees would really depend on your solar aspect.
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I take Ann Ralph’s advice on rootstock vigour: it makes so little difference in reality, the answer is always just pruning. But height of the pergola is a real factor. Think I’m looking at 2.5 m?
2.75-3 would be ideal, but 2.5 just means your tall friends need to duck walk.
it gets dictated by the width - think I am limited here because I don’t want it to splurge sideways too far. I’m going to chat to the firm tomorrow but I take the point…
I think for me I am always looking at the long game for planting with clients. I might be aware of pruning an apple tree that wants to be 35ft tall to maintain a pergola but the next person who takes my place may not. I try to aim for the longevity of a garden as much as possible. That being said i have a hazelnut that i wrestle in a small
space too. So fair enough.
well Ann Ralph’s point was that a full standard apple if left grows to about 35 feet. But a dwarfing root stock might still grow to 25. Her book is fabulous by the way - if you don’t know it? https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Ann-Ralph/Grow-a-Little-Fruit-Tree--Simple-Pruning-Techniques-for-S/16459991
I'll check it out! I'm sourcing apples for an espalier right now so maybe it will change my direction.
her chapter 6 “the hardest cut you’ll ever make” is brilliant!
I think multi variety trees are great in small gardens, I had a three variety bush pear, that gave me early, mid season and late pears. But not sure it would work in Espalier mode.
Suggest dwarfing root stock and plant maidens, one year old will get away quickly and you put the layers where you want them.
As others have said suggest you go for cross pollinating varieties, and find a grower who does their own grafting and has the stock to suit your area.

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I have to ship everything in - we have no growers on the island (#Jersey) any more as far as I know. Makes it a bit tricky.
ah a warmer( ? Drier ) climate than mine (South Wales)! Some French growers are probably your best bet, Brittany has lots of fruit growing as does Normandy, though not sure if they cater for the amateur grower rather than the commercial ones. But might be worth asking, many of the great varieties grown in SE GB started as French or Belgian varieties.

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yeah - it’s a good shout. We get over there regularly and there is a massive nursery with a lot of trees outside St Malo. That is a fair suggestion - I’ll see if I can get over.