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Weren't we all supposed to be terrified of this when China did it?

"Soon, every British citizen should have a digital wallet, and a unique digital log-in."

And I'm sure his son's company doesn't do anything like this kind of AI 🤔

Times: "Live facial recognition would enhance UK justice, says Tony Blair"

https://archive.is/hqE3Y

#UKPolitics #SurveillanceState
#ukpolitics #surveillancestate
Alfred Chow - Maker of Things
I hope no one suggests tattooed barcodes....
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
It'll be RfID chips implanted under the skin of your index finger or something.
Alfred Chow - Maker of Things
It would be implanted in the back of the neck, where it might be harder to dig out, but easier to be force read.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
You mean where the port was that connected you to the Matrix?
Alfred Chow - Maker of Things
imagine it would be something like that.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
That film feels more and more like a documentary that came from the future every day.
laen down in a pile of leaves
yes but china is bad, duh. 🙄

😭
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
I've often found myself wondering lately, obvious human rights horrors/territorial aggression against HK and Taiwan aside, how bad China actually *is*. Because I've seen some of their infrastructure - public trains and the like - and they are *decades* ahead of us.
(I'm not suddenly yay! China! or anything, but still)
laen down in a pile of leaves
oh i am very, very much in the same boat. i feel that apart from the obvious things you mentioned, it's probably actually not that bad. at least, nowhere NEAR as bad as we've all been led to believe. i mean, they can afford food for a start. and have healthcare ...
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
It's funny how much you question once the mask of propaganda slips off in one area (Palestine), isn't it. Successive governments who are either (or both) appalling at lying/can't be bothered to do it properly/massively incompetent and suddenly everything's up for consideration ...
laen down in a pile of leaves
there have been a few things over the past years, even before gaza, that have made me realise that really it's all a lie. they're all evil, power-grabbing scum who will twist literally anything to cling on to what they have. and yeah, they're getting really shit at it now, which really helps to highlight it all.
FandaSin
I am far from pushing my world view onto others, just wanted to say, China is probably even worse than UK. (that's my opinion, and I've never been to China and probably never will, and been in UK once)

But if you would like some (I hope) true news from China I would like to introduce you China Uncensored channel. ( https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaUncensored )

China Uncensored

China Uncensored will bring you the uncensored truth about the Chinese Communist Party's secret plan to take over the world. Just kidding. Sort of... Contact: team@chinauncensored.tv Website: https://www.chinauncensored.tv Twitter: https://www.
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MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
The UK's pretty bad around the edges but getting rapidly worse, with an authoritarian government that has another four years before the next election.
I've been to China briefly - I didn't particularly like it, I wouldn't go again - I was specifically talking politically and about the government, not about what the people are like.
Helen in Wales
My husband visited China for a conference some years ago and really liked it. He said the people were lovely. Obviously there are human rights issues, but looking at the US right now, and even at the UK. Is China really so much worse that we should demonise them?
Alfred Chow - Maker of Things
My Mum would demonise China. She escaped the revolution.

I guess it is easy to create effective infrastructure then you have absolute control over the population.

Yes, other countries are also bad, but in slightly different ways, and with different (the same) goals.
laen down in a pile of leaves
i wonder how much things have changed there and deteriorated everywhere else since she escaped? it all seems to be levelling out to an equal tier of awful everywhere now :bunhdsad:
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
This is what I was saying about the Firewall - none of us truly knows what it's like inside China. Even your husband, Helen, because business visitors are only going to see (be shown) what their colleagues want them to see.
laen down in a pile of leaves
a now-deceased former colleague of husband's spent a lot of time in china in the 80s for his work. often illegally. but he said that once he got past the officials (which was touch and go sometimes), he found the nicest people and a culture that he greatly respected. he ended up being kind of adopted by one old medical master and seen as this man's heir and successor. but he had no illusions about the regime. at the time. who knows now.

i mean, we all thought the US was ok actually no that's bullshit, we didn't. we were all told to think it was ok. but having lived there as a child, i can tell you that the problems that are so obvious now were always there.
i'm not saying it's china, but i'm also not saying that it was ever a bastion of wonderment.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
I was talking specifically about the regime, rather than the people or culture.
laen down in a pile of leaves
very fair.

i wonder how much the US/UK/EU would keep behind the Great Firewall, if they could? how much they do keep back? (a fair bit, it would seem)
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Well you only have to look at how many FOIA requests are (increasingly) refused, how many government records are kept private past the standard 30 years, the rise in the use of NDAs and injunctions and lawsuits ... and add the obvious manipulation of the press ... but it still doesn't (quite) rise to complete population control (yet).
laen down in a pile of leaves
and yet: how complete is the population control, these days? i'm not saying it isn't, but also we don't know that it is. we just don't know beyond what they want us to hear. at least let us decide for ourselves whether something is ok or not. (ha, heaven forbid)

obviously things have been very, very bad there and some very bad things have happened and still happen every day and are really very awful. but as for the lives of most folk, we just don't know.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Yeah, I think it's too easy here to say "how much worse could it be", when the truth is it could be a fuck load worse than it is and we just don't know. It does strike me as curious that so many people who leave are fairly desperate never to go back.
laen down in a pile of leaves
and now we have that with the US.

i think that all we can say for certain is that things are pretty shit everywhere. better in some places than others, yes. but how much and for how much longer? no idea.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Yep, I think that's probably the best assessment of the situation.
Varying degrees of terrifyingly awful and shit, everywhere. Probs not as bad as North Korea though 😁
laen down in a pile of leaves
what, you mean you don't want to have your hair cut in one of (was it?) 18 hairstyles approved accordance with a "socialist" (ahem) lifestyle?
😂
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Unless things have gone crazy ass liberal over there, I think there are only a choice of seven different haircuts 😂
laen down in a pile of leaves
oh god no it was 28 apparently!!

https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/25/these-are-north-koreas-28-state-approved-hairstyles/

These Are North Korea’s 28 State-Approved Hairstyles | TIME.com

It looks a lot of this year's male Oscar winners wouldn't survive the Communist state of North Korea without a haircut.
TIME.com
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Oh, well I'm definitely moving then 🤣
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
I'm not sure you could categorise Hong Kong their treatment of the Uighurs as human rights "issues", but yes, point taken. There's also the question of why students who leave are so unwilling/scared to go back. There's a *lot* we don't know because it the Great Firewall doesn't let it out.
FandaSin
I hope Orwell is haunting all of those who are supporting this in any way.🤬

If they want social credit in UK, citizens should "Anarchy in the UK". 🤘
BashStKid
Maybe we shouldn’t listen to someone who enthusiastically promoted Sam Bankman-Fraud and his crypto thefts.

The only reliable factor is Blair making money from whatever he promotes.
Blair, Clinton, and Sam Bankman-Fried, scammers all.
HarriettMB
Euan Blair is up to his neck in this - all being promoted by Daddy Tony, who has Starmer’s ear. Such a shame Tony Blair isn’t in The Hague already. The damage he’s done and continues to do is inestimable; along with his associate Peter Mandelson.
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