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And it gets worse almost immediately.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/transgender-women-supreme-court-ruling-british-transport-police/

#TransRightsAreHumanRights #UKPolitics #TransWomenAreWomen #ACAB

First police force changes search guidelines for trans women in wake of Supreme Court gender ruling

Trans women in custody will be searched by male officers following Wednesday’s landmark Supreme Court ruling, the British Transport Police have said.
Henry Moore (LBC)
#acab #ukpolitics #transrightsarehumanrights #transwomenarewomen
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Nini
That's a horrible violation, why is this seen as okay?
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
It's fucking hideous. It's come from the Home Office, obviously - I don't think they can just unilaterally change policy without authorisation from the top.
Geri ™️
presumably for all the police, yes?
AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈♾️
Yet, surely, the phrase "harassment in substance in their acquired gender" would apply to such an action, making it illegal as confirmed by the Court.

This ruling has created an utter fecking mess. 🤬
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
All it's done is give licence to transphobes to act without restraint and government to pander to them - just in time for the local elections.
HarriettMB
As @Pamela1960 writes -
So British Transport Police has changed its policy on searches of trans people so a trans woman would be searched by a male officer and a trans man by a female officer. If you have breast development or have had surgery as a trans woman, firmly but calmly remind them that if you, as a trans woman are to be searched by a man that it will be sexual assault and strip searching would be even worse. This is an opening for a European Court of Human Rights Case.
@Pam C
Sam Fleming
One of my worries in all this is: the Equality Act is a mess, it needs to be overhauled and made less obfuscatory, lots of people are getting on board with that idea, but because all this has come up first, and transphobes are running with exactly what the court told them NOT to do, when they get around to reviewing the Equality Act it'll end up even worse.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
I wonder how much Hodge's rather extreme religious views might have influenced his decision (however unconciously).

"Between 2009 and 2011, he served as convener of the Church's Special Commission on Same-sex Relationships and the Ministry."

https://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/news-and-events/news/archive/2022/lord-hodge-appointed-lord-high-commissioner-to-the-general-assembly

Lord Hodge appointed Lord High Commissioner to the General Assembly

The Deputy President of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom has been appointed Lord High Commissioner to the 2022 General Assembly of the Church of...
The Church of Scotland
The Penguin of Evil
I am sure if it's dragged to ECHR for some reason that will come up, but mostly I think that's shooting the messenger. The courts job was and is to figure out how all the garbage output by the clueless in parliament is supposed to be interpreted, and they've been fairly clear all along that this shouldn't be their mess because politicians should be making the law in the first place.
Christine M.
The problem: The decision was unanimous, as reported. No dissents, no comments, nothing. Let's hope for a second inside look in near time.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
At no point did I suggest that it would have altered the final outcome, I was just thinking out loud about what might have led to the decision of one of the judges.
AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈♾️
Unanimous *but not the full Court*.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Ah, didn't know that. Thanks Alison 😊
NatalyaD
agreed, I don't want them to meddle as it's bad now but could be worse. Business would like to kill half the limited disability and race provisions nevermind pregnancy and maternity ones.

TERFs are not about women's or anyone's rights.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
There's not a single woman in this country who's better off today than yesterday, and those who may present less femino-normatively than others have been put in danger.
Sam Fleming
Exactly this. I don't feel any safer. This interpretation of the law wouldn't have prevented any of the assaults I've experienced.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Laws aren't written for women. I've used gender neutral loos (and I'm only using the example because TERFs are so fucking obsessed with them) for decades and it's never once occurred to me to be concerned with anything while I'm there except taking a fucking piss!
NatalyaD
Quite. I want neutral loos for those who want them (TERFS could just use them as many are single-user) as long as it's not non-disabled folk using the disabled loo.

I do not want trans and GNC cis folk forced into using neutral loos to avoid hassle.

I think we need to make it really hard to enforce this policy.

I'm going to point out that I was harassed by fucking female TERFs. I've never been hassled by trans folk who just want to live in peace.
NatalyaD
I've been groped by cis women a few times in queer spaces. I've never been groped by a trans woman.

I've been assaulted by a cis women in women only spaces (and indeed in public). I've never been assaulted by a trans person of any gender anywhere.
NatalyaD
There's also the option of telling them you are not trans. No one can prove they are cis.

The police are going to fuck up on a Gender Non Conforming cis woman soon, statistically more common than trans women...

Make it too scary and hard to be transphobic.

Make them fight for every inch. Make it time consuming. Dismiss. Delay. Derail. Deny. Their tactics to us can be used right back.
NatalyaD
We should all write to the police and ask them how they will ensure "a cis woman is not mistaken for trans" and point out how hateful this is regardless of mistakes.

The police weren't our friends to start with, the speed they obey in advance is unsurprising.
huntingdon
Your question implies that many leos wouldn't be happy closely inspecting every woman in America, and that identifying someone who is not cis gender is the objective of this exercise. Wasn't it Georgia that tested airport scanners that generated such fine detail, it could virtually count pubic hairs? All to protect real womenfolk?
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
What's this got to do with America?
Helen Clayton
that’s horrific and surely not even in line with the SC ruling, bad as it is.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
From what I understand - and don't quote me because I haven't read the SC ruling in full - all the judgment has done is muddy the waters and left a huge "interpretation" gap where stuff like this can be ruled as legitimate in the first instance. Of course it isn't under the Equality Act or ECHR, but that requires the victim to take the case to court every. single. time 😡
Helen Clayton
that’s my understanding too but I’m also horrified at the speed with which this decision has been made on that basis. I’m reading headlines that the ruling has provided ‘clarification’ when it’s done the complete opposite.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
I hate being conspiratorial but it does feel like some of this stuff might have been oven-ready and waiting for the judgment to be handed down. A quick nod from Cooper and that's some more votes from the bigots in the bag just before the local elections.
Linda
that has crossed my mind
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Thing is, when you've idly speculated to yourself what the most extreme interpretation of any given headline might be, and then it turns out to be the case fairly regularly (or even, occasionally, worse), it's hard not permanently shift the frame through which you observe these things.
Andrew
What happened with this recent verdict smells the same as the set of draconian Just Stop Oil verdicts. The judge would have been selected for their known bias and also likely been lent on by the government to hand down a specific verdict, i.e. red meat for the mob.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
That's a great comparison. Agreed. It's disturbing that the head of the EHRC is so clearly transphobic as well.
BashStKid
I smell a directive from Cooper.
Just in time for the elections.
Absolute scum.
MiniMia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇵🇸
Reeks, doesn't it. I was just saying to someone else it seems too conveniently timed to be anything other than a desperate kowtow to the bigot vote.
Ian Molton
almost as if there were an organised group of wankers behind it.
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