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Alright so let's try this.

What folktales or fairy tales would you nominate for a Folktale of the Year bracket?

What's your favorite tale?
Which one do you think would make a good Folktale of the Year for 2024?
Which one would be fun to campaign for in a vote?
Which one would you enjoy reading other people's opinions about?

Give us a title, a summary, or a type (see toot below for explanation of tale types) 😄

Boosts welcome

#folktales #folklore #storytelling #lore #FolktaleFrenzy
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Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
A note on tale types:

Tales in the oral tradition exist in many versions across cultures and centuries. These have the same basic plot but very diverse embellishments.

Folklorists have numbered the plots in what is generally known as the ATU (Aarne-Thompson-Uther) tale type index.

E.g. every tale with a jealous queen, an exiled princess hiding in the company of outlaws, fake death, and resurrection is ATU 709 - Snow White.

Some cultures have their own indices, however!

#folklore #folktales
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Konchog Tenzen Sangpo
speaking of tracing folklore, how these tales follow migratory and trading routs - what's your take on these theories? https://academic.oup.com/book/33090/chapter-abstract/282131249?redirectedFrom=fulltext I love the idea of it and what it implies for humanity as a body, but can't speak for its accuracy
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
My general opinion as a practicing storyteller is that it really depends on what stories we are talking about in what time frame. Because stories both travel really well, and have a tendency to spring from universal human experiences independently. So, probably a huge mix of all kinds of origins.
Konchog Tenzen Sangpo
totally - and too little solid knowledge for actual facts.
I - even if UPG - do like the idea a lot that specific core elements, for example a bird (crane or stork) would fetch souls from a somehow watery source (well, sea) and be transporting these from the nether to the present... Likewise as psychopompos the other way. But such also has great danger of overly romanticising & finding coherence where is only coincidence
Wigbert Boell 🎻🏛🎭🎤🗞🎥📚
any space or place or hint, one could read / learn / research about these #FolkTale types?
#folktale
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
Note, the ATU catalog (3 volumes) is available for download here (ending decades of anguish for researchers):
https://edition.fi/kalevalaseura/catalog?fbclid=IwAR0zUQr8Ou8WUR0OsL_yCjqPtTydE74IYqZWWLq9ZF1NTuLfRmjY83YBwws

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Charnock
Goodness the ATU takes me back, I remember railing against the categorisation as a student. Well, shouting on my own in the library.
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
Oh yeah it's definitely flawed, even the updated version 😊 I have had meltdown moments when I tracked down a reference and it was nowhere near the type I expected... Same with the motif index
Charnock
You're in a lucky era though, my university library wasn't even computerised till I was half way through my degree. It was cards or crowd around the microfiche. Having the indices as as searchable PDF? I'd nearly go back and finish my PhD :)
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
Lol, I was in-between thanks to the Hungarian system. I did get to use card catalogs, offline catalogs, the actual paper ATU at the reference library (and the AaTh before that), and then computers and now the PDF 😆
Charnock
I remember the Jeffrey Burton Russel set (Devil, etc) being kept behind a cresset metal gate in what we called "The Spooky Book Section". Folklore books were a little more accessible, but that whole floor of the library was always empty.
Ray McCarthy
That sounds like material to fill the days of a wet holiday. It would need its own website. Also very hard to answer questions!

"Which one would you enjoy reading other people's opinions about?"
One I don't know about but turns out to be one I like?
uruk awrys
Altair and Vega saga
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
You mean the Weaver Girl and the Cowherd love story?
uruk awrys
Most of my search results in the Japanese (and ultimately Chinese) version(s) of the goddess princess Vega falling in love with the mortal Altair.
But any other variant is interesting. (cf Pyramus and Thysbe?)
I am especially intrigued by the symbolism of the Magpie bridge.
notsoloud
Gefion ploughing out Zealand
Raika
East of the Sun, West of the Moon
Lambic
I remember one from Northern exposure. I can't find the whole thing but here's a synopsis:

Long ago, the Tlingit lived in darkness as light was guarded by a selfish chief. Through a series of events, Raven ends up disguising himself as the chief’s daughter’s infant son. The chief gave Raven the light to play with to stop him from crying. Raven took the light and flew off so he could distribute it to the rest of the people. From then on, the Tlingit no longer lived in the dark.
Em, dog at the door 🚪
I'm obsessed with how many different Pleides stories there are. Seven sisters that take off their fairy clothes to bathe and one gets trapped when a man takes hers is so pervasive. Also sometimes feels related to Bluebeard or The Six Swans.
Lydia Schoch
I vote for The Truth Comes to Light (780-799 in the first book on the list you shared). I love stories about people who are wrongly accused and then have their names cleared.
Charnock
I think there should definitely be a category for "Most revelant folk tale" for which tale most reflects wisdom for modern living in 2024. Can someone lure Elon Musk into a bottle by telling him he can't turn into a fly?
Dr. Zalka Csenge Virág
Honestly I think someone already lured him into buying Twitter by telling him it was a great investment :D
Charnock
See there's your relevant folk lore story for 2024. "financial djinn bottles a modern tale of metamorphosis"

Musk is very ATU 302 anyway...
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