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Mastodon will add Quote Posts, even though some Users don’t want Them. 
Mastodon is making a change that might have some users divided. In an update, the decentralized platform announced that it’s working to add quote posts “to help people to transition away from proprietary, billionaire-owned social media to the open social web”.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/02/bringing-quote-posts-to-mastodon/
#mastodon #quoteposts #fediverse #socialmedia #it #engineer #media #tech #news
![[ImageSource: MastodonEngineering]
But there are some technical hurdles that Mastodon will have to overcome to enable quote posts. For one, quote posts aren’t standardized, meaning there isn’t a set way to build the feature into ActivityPub, the decentralized social networking protocol used by Mastodon. The platform adds that quote posts will impact a large portion of Mastodon’s codebase, so it will “take more time to develop.”
There isn’t a timeframe for when we can expect quote posts to arrive on Mastodon, but it aims to create a specification that will allow other Fediverse applications to implement quote posts as well. Mastodon first considered introducing quote posts in 2023 and received a grant to work on the project.
<https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/#:~:text=And%20our%20work,these%20updates%20soon.>
“We know that Quote Posts are a source of concern for some members of the community, and highly-requested by others,” Mastodon says. “We’re committed to sharing our progress, and listening to your feedback.”](https://friendica-leipzig.de/photo/preview/1024/649191 "[ImageSource: MastodonEngineering]
But there are some technical hurdles that Mastodon will have to overcome to enable quote posts. For one, quote posts aren’t standardized, meaning there isn’t a set way to build the feature into ActivityPub, the decentralized social networking protocol used by Mastodon. The platform adds that quote posts will impact a large portion of Mastodon’s codebase, so it will “take more time to develop.”
There isn’t a timeframe for when we can expect quote posts to arrive on Mastodon, but it aims to create a specification that will allow other Fediverse applications to implement quote posts as well. Mastodon first considered introducing quote posts in 2023 and received a grant to work on the project.
<https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/#:~:text=And%20our%20work,these%20updates%20soon.>
“We know that Quote Posts are a source of concern for some members of the community, and highly-requested by others,” Mastodon says. “We’re committed to sharing our progress, and listening to your feedback.”")
Mastodon is making a change that might have some users divided. In an update, the decentralized platform announced that it’s working to add quote posts “to help people to transition away from proprietary, billionaire-owned social media to the open social web”.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/02/bringing-quote-posts-to-mastodon/
#mastodon #quoteposts #fediverse #socialmedia #it #engineer #media #tech #news
![[ImageSource: MastodonEngineering]
But there are some technical hurdles that Mastodon will have to overcome to enable quote posts. For one, quote posts aren’t standardized, meaning there isn’t a set way to build the feature into ActivityPub, the decentralized social networking protocol used by Mastodon. The platform adds that quote posts will impact a large portion of Mastodon’s codebase, so it will “take more time to develop.”
There isn’t a timeframe for when we can expect quote posts to arrive on Mastodon, but it aims to create a specification that will allow other Fediverse applications to implement quote posts as well. Mastodon first considered introducing quote posts in 2023 and received a grant to work on the project.
<https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/#:~:text=And%20our%20work,these%20updates%20soon.>
“We know that Quote Posts are a source of concern for some members of the community, and highly-requested by others,” Mastodon says. “We’re committed to sharing our progress, and listening to your feedback.”](https://nerdculture.de/system/media_attachments/files/114/042/019/748/078/584/original/7ff45630c1ef1dc2.png "[ImageSource: MastodonEngineering]
But there are some technical hurdles that Mastodon will have to overcome to enable quote posts. For one, quote posts aren’t standardized, meaning there isn’t a set way to build the feature into ActivityPub, the decentralized social networking protocol used by Mastodon. The platform adds that quote posts will impact a large portion of Mastodon’s codebase, so it will “take more time to develop.”
There isn’t a timeframe for when we can expect quote posts to arrive on Mastodon, but it aims to create a specification that will allow other Fediverse applications to implement quote posts as well. Mastodon first considered introducing quote posts in 2023 and received a grant to work on the project.
<https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/#:~:text=And%20our%20work,these%20updates%20soon.>
“We know that Quote Posts are a source of concern for some members of the community, and highly-requested by others,” Mastodon says. “We’re committed to sharing our progress, and listening to your feedback.”")
Bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon
Sharing our thinking and progress on bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon, with a goal to create a safe and respectful space for everyone.Mastodon Blog
How the Nomads handle quote-post permission
Here's another thing that you may not know about Hubzilla and (streams) yet: Not only do they have quote-posts, but they also have pretty effective anti-quote-post defences.
Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now.
Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts.
The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to:
(streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in.
No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts".
This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button.
In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about how you may forward someone's content, but whether you may forward it.
Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts.
Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either.
If you really want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted).
Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it.
Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you?
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Hubzilla
Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now.
Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts.
The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to:
- everyone in the Fediverse
- everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)
- everyone on your home hub
- unconfirmed and confirmed connections
- confirmed connections
- only those whom you individually grant that permission
- nobody but you
(streams)
(streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in.
No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts".
The effect
This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button.
In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about how you may forward someone's content, but whether you may forward it.
Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts.
Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either.
Privacy as an extra line of defence
If you really want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted).
Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it.
Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you?
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streams
Consent based public domain federated communications server. Provides a feature rich ActivityPub and Nomad communication node.Codeberg.org
@Matthias Die Quote-Posts an sich vielleicht nicht. Möglicherweise übernehmen sie dieselbe Technologie wie Misskey, weil Threads die auch hat.
Aber das Opt-In wird nur innerhalb von Mastodon funktionieren.
#CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
Aber das Opt-In wird nur innerhalb von Mastodon funktionieren.
#CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
@Lioh Und genau das wurde auf Twitter eingesetzt als Waffe gegen Angehörige von Minderheiten (BIPoC, 2SLGBTQQIA+ etc.). Im Grunde kennt man das als Twitter-User nur dafür.
Noch ein Grund, warum so viele von da nach Mastodon geflohen sind: weil Mastodon keine Quote-Posts/Drükos/Drukos hat.
Was aber kaum jemand auf Mastodon weiß: Das Fediverse hat sehr wohl Quote-Posts. Praktisch alles, was Mikro- oder Makroblogging macht und nicht "Mastodon" heißt, kann quote-posten. Und kann auch Mastodon-Tröts quote-posten.
Aussage, die ich gerade bekommen habe: Hubzilla und (streams) hätten nie die Möglichkeit haben dürfen, Mastodon-Tröts zu quote-posten, weil Mastodon sich gegen Quote-Posts entschieden hat.
Nur: Zum einen war 2016 das Nichtimplementieren von Quote-Posts keine Entscheidung zum Schutz von Twitter-Flüchtlingen, sondern zum Vereinfachen von Mastodon. Zum anderen müßten wahrscheinlich mehr als 60 Fediverse-Serveranwendungen für Mastodon eine Ausnahme einbauen.
Was für Twitter-Flüchtlinge auf Mastodon auch völlig unvorstellbar ist: Quote-Posts sind in fast 15 Jahren Friendica nie mißbräuchlich genutzt worden. Und überall sonst, was Quote-Posts kann, auch nicht.
Übrigens ist auch das wieder so ein Fall, wo Mastodon-Nutzer versuchen, dem gesamten Fediverse die Mastodon-Kultur aufzuzwingen und Features, die Mastodon nicht hat, wegzunehmen.
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Noch ein Grund, warum so viele von da nach Mastodon geflohen sind: weil Mastodon keine Quote-Posts/Drükos/Drukos hat.
Was aber kaum jemand auf Mastodon weiß: Das Fediverse hat sehr wohl Quote-Posts. Praktisch alles, was Mikro- oder Makroblogging macht und nicht "Mastodon" heißt, kann quote-posten. Und kann auch Mastodon-Tröts quote-posten.
Aussage, die ich gerade bekommen habe: Hubzilla und (streams) hätten nie die Möglichkeit haben dürfen, Mastodon-Tröts zu quote-posten, weil Mastodon sich gegen Quote-Posts entschieden hat.
Nur: Zum einen war 2016 das Nichtimplementieren von Quote-Posts keine Entscheidung zum Schutz von Twitter-Flüchtlingen, sondern zum Vereinfachen von Mastodon. Zum anderen müßten wahrscheinlich mehr als 60 Fediverse-Serveranwendungen für Mastodon eine Ausnahme einbauen.
Was für Twitter-Flüchtlinge auf Mastodon auch völlig unvorstellbar ist: Quote-Posts sind in fast 15 Jahren Friendica nie mißbräuchlich genutzt worden. Und überall sonst, was Quote-Posts kann, auch nicht.
Übrigens ist auch das wieder so ein Fall, wo Mastodon-Nutzer versuchen, dem gesamten Fediverse die Mastodon-Kultur aufzuzwingen und Features, die Mastodon nicht hat, wegzunehmen.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
#QuotePosts are a popular feature of many social media platforms. They offer the ability to share another person’s post to one’s own followers, while adding a comment.
We want to share our thinking process in implementing Quote Posts in #Mastodon, and explain why it has taken us some time to do so.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/02/bringing-quote-posts-to-mastodon/
#Blog
We want to share our thinking process in implementing Quote Posts in #Mastodon, and explain why it has taken us some time to do so.
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/02/bringing-quote-posts-to-mastodon/
#Blog
Bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon
Sharing our thinking and progress on bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon, with a goal to create a safe and respectful space for everyone.Mastodon Blog